Black or Grey Riding Gear?

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  1. RememberTheFallen

    RememberTheFallen Been here awhile

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  2. AKjitsu

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    Thanks for sharing. Were it not for your vastly superior knowledge of the desert, no doubt garned in Atlanta, I would have no idea what the evap cooler sitting on the top of my house for the last fifteen years was for.

    And you believe that the sun has the same surface effect in a humid climate as in the desert? Tell you what. Go take a basic physics course and get back to us when you have some idea what the hell you're talking about.
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  3. Xeraux

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    Ventilated clothing or evaporative vests do not work as well in humid climates as it does in arid. That's why we don't use evaporative coolers on top of our houses, here. We use air conditioners to dehumidify.

    On a motorcycle at speed with the airflow, that black jacket's temp is going to be inconsequentially different than the grey one.
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    +1 evap cooling is more effective in dry heat. :deal
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  5. syzygy9

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    The connection between an evaporative air conditioner and a jacket is a lot of codswallop; evaporative A/Cs work by pulling lots of air through wetted pads. True - the cooling effect comes from the ability of the air to evaporate the water which works well in dry climates where the air is not already saturated. However, this requires a lot of water! So, wrt jackets, unless you are spraying yourself with water or sweating profusely, 'evaporation' will hardly have any 'cooling' effect.

    Well vented jackets 'cool' you by purging warm/hot air trapped inside your jacket making you feel cooler. A dark jacket (or helmet for that matter) is always much hotter than a light jacket BUT this can be partially ameliorated by good venting enabling you to expel the hot air from inside your jacket. The hot air inside your jacket comes from your own body heat as well as heat absorbed from the outside environment . . . and a dark jacket sucks in a lot more heat than a light jacket (feel the temp difference on the body of a light coloured vs dark coloured car when both have been on the sun for awhile).

    My advice for what it is worth; if most of your riding is in hotter climes use light coloured gear, for colder climes dark coloured (and keep it zipped up).

    Living in Australia (and I have 2 evap aircon units on the roof of my house) I have a white helmet and use light coloured AStars Durban jacket and pants which work well for these warmer temps.
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  6. Xeraux

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    http://leatt-brace.com/blog/coolit-evaporative-cooling-vests-tees/
    http://www.motorcycle-superstore.co...tive-Cooling-Vest.aspx?WT.ac=RichAutoComplete

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  7. AKjitsu

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    Just when you thought things couldn’t get any more ridiculous…… now we have a guy from Georgia lecturing a guy from southern Arizona about how things work in the desert. You sound exactly like the tourists we get out here every year; the ones who read a few things in a book regarding dry climates, completely confuse what they’ve read, then come out here thinking they know everything. And then we have to get out the horses and helicopters and go fish their corpses out of the desert. It’s a tedious undertaking but we do derive some joy from the knowledge that they’ve removed themselves from the gene pool.
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  8. Xeraux

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    Why don't you explain it to us? 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  9. FLARider1

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    so......back to the original post.

    You will be happy that you got lighter colored gear. I started of with black gear down here in south FLA and roasted my ass even with removable panels to add a ton of air flow. I have now switched to all light colors and experienced a huge difference of how hot I feel in the gear riding in hot weather. I have mesh gear in lighter colors, Joe Rocket UFO 2.0 jacket and Olympic Airglide 3 pants, for summer riding. I have the grey with blue trim BMW Rallye Pro 3 for cooler/cold riding. I really have felt the difference on the bike, to heck with all physics arguments going on, I feel the difference on the bike and thats what really matters!!!!
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  10. RememberTheFallen

    RememberTheFallen Been here awhile

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    Ya, kinda getting a little crazy there.

    Hope to get the jacket in the next few days. Unfortunately I won't be able to test it for hot riding for 6 more months. Thanks for the reply!
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  11. syzygy9

    syzygy9 Been here awhile

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    I think the conversation was about light or dark coloured jackets - not vests that you soak in water for 2 minutes prior to use. Your initial statement that black jackets are just as cool as light jackets due to 'evaporative cooling' has zero to do with this 'cooling vest' which is something completely different. You could simulate the effect with a conventional jacket by liberally spraying yourself with water, but once this water has evaporated you are back to your plain old jacket.

    You can ameliorate the heat of a dark jacket with good venting enabling you to purge some of the heat trapped inside jacket (regardless of the humidity) but you are still fighting the heat absorption by the dark outer shell. For hot climates a light coloured well vented jacket is much cooler, for cold climates a black, well buttoned up jacket is better. For hot and humid climates ventilation is still effective (better than non-vented) but you will feel uncomfortable because of the humidity.
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  12. Xeraux

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    Yes. If you are sitting still in traffic with a black jacket on, it's going to be hotter. I've never argued that point.

    Again, my point is that at speed, not sitting still, convection plays a much larger role. The air moving across the surface of that jacket (and through it if you're considering venting) will render the heat difference of the color of that jacket virtually insignificant. Buy whatever jacket you like and can get the best deal on. Pay more attention to what you wear under your jacket.
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  13. AdrianB1

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    The comment that I can add: I saw in a Klim store the adventure pants in black and in gray. I ordered mine in gray and the clerk there fully agreed with the choice - seeing the black ones up close was quite convincing the color is not looking well. For jackets it's a bit different, I have 2 winter jackets that are black (the Dainese one has a bit of blue on the arms), for spring-autumn I will probably get a gray Klim jacket and use the older white-red Spidi jacket.

    For high temperatures I would not recommend any adventure jacket, but an enduro armor. I have an EVS Ballistic Jersey that I use at 40+ Celsius and it gets quite hot when I stop. No idea if the desert in Jordan and Israel (Middle East) are similar with Arizona, but I used to live there for a while and it is very hot and very dry, so my opinion stands: no jacket. Too bad I don't have something similar for pants - just protections and mesh, nothing else.
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    I think so too.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    I would not want to wear a jacket for really dirt riding but on most of the roads I ride my Mesh jacket seems nearly as cool as riding in a tee shirt. The jacket is heavy but I don’t notice that while riding roads. The jacket offers some protection in a fall, has a lot of pockets, and keeps the bugs off of me. It’s a good thing. :D
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    I've never been riding and not had to stop; whether for gas, stoplights, traffic, food, poo, or whatever. Black, aside from being the same color as asphalt (hence the name, "Run-Me-Over-Black"), is hotter than any other color clothing you can wear, venting and evaporative cooling be damned. Yes, the heat gain is mitigated when you're moving, but you'll still be hotter in black, especially your arms and thighs.

    Long-time Harley rider here, and I've ridden my share of miles in all-black gear. This past year wearing an R3 suit in 112 degree heat taught me all I need to know about the color of my riding clothes. I would have cooked in a black suit, I rode reasonably comfortably in my gray suit.
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  16. V-Tom

    V-Tom Been here awhile

    Joined:
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    821
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    Port Perry, Ontario, Canada
    On my two piece Roadcrafter I have Black Pants and a Grey Jacket. Black pants is better for not showing dirt and the grey seems to work well in most situations heat-wise. (Last year in Death Valey with temperatures over 120F it was hot. Ice in the pockets took care of that.)


    Hi-viz can be useful, but those that really want to avoid crashes with cars should take a look at the links in my signature.

    ..Tom
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  17. CollinsB

    CollinsB Been here awhile

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    Location:
    Orange Co., CA.
    For me its a "no brainer"... Grey! I learned the hard way...Black just gets too hot In Southern Ca,.
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  18. '05Train

    '05Train Mind is not for rent

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    I gotta say, I find it all kinds of funny that people on an adventure motorcycle forum are talking about choosing riding gear based on how much it shows dirt.
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  19. cchoc

    cchoc Outdoor Photographer

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    Land of Grits and Gravy
    I have Klim Badlands Jacket and Pants in 'grey' but they are still mostly black. :D I've also got a pair of Klim Dakar pants in light grey but they look more like silver.
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