BMW bikes and speed?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by btcn, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. Boondox

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    This. I know very few riders who started with Beemers. More typically they've come to the brand after having owned several other bikes, and with a lot more experience and technique than a brand new rider.
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  2. ragtoplvr

    ragtoplvr Long timer

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    Those same BMW riders on 600 CC supersports would be passing their buddies on the GS like they were standing still. For a few miles until the pain in their back, neck and wrists became unbearable. It is the rider. A comfortable rider is faster.

    Rod
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  3. JDK111

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    Never driven a CR500 have you?
    http://www.servicehonda.com/honda-2010-models/500afx

    <220 lbs with 80-90 hp.VS 450 lbs with 100 -120 hp...... if there's any corners on your 'regular roads' the supersport is toast. (with equal riders)...... just like in the vids.:lol3
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  4. Wraith Rider

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    At least the supersport would be able to deliver its equal (wet + with rider) or slightly better (more realistic under 70hp) power/weight ratio to the ground (as in not doing backflips) and won't wobble around (suspension designed for street use). Sure, a good rider would be able to keep up with the supersport.
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  5. tvpierce

    tvpierce Been here awhile

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    Something's wrong with that graph: :huh the hp and torque lines should intersect at 5252 RPM. :huh:huh

    EDIT: Oh... it's KW not HP... nevermind!
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  6. opmike

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    You cannot use an anecdotal story of one rider passing another as evidence of which bike is inherently quicker around a circuit. Not unless you first establish that the riders were of comparable skill level and competent on their respective machinery. This line of reasoning is particularly faulty for those invoking random encounters on the street for reasons I feel are obvious.

    Granted, my comment isn't arguing for one design over a another. I just get sick of hearing, "Well, I pass X riders all day long, so my Y bike is faster." Even if you're right, you can't use that reasoning alone as proof.
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  7. Big Doobie

    Big Doobie Frustrated Redneck

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    Disclaimer, I do not own a BMW motorcycle.

    I'm smart enough to not think of myself as "that good" of a rider.

    But I have test ridin BMW motorcycles, and believe me, when I say I will have one.

    Particularly impressed with the GS. It is an easy bike to ride swiftly.

    They don't feel as heavy as they are, I think because the weight of the engine is so low.
    And I believe, that the telelever front suspension with it's anti-dive action provides such a feeling of security, you will be just zinging through twisty two lane, without even trying.

    The brake are excellent, and if they conquer the final drive issues the GS will be the perfect motorcycle.
    A bit expensive, but more worth it than anything else in its price range.
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  8. Motzilla

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    Getting back to the OP, BMW 12 GSA bikes handle incredibly well and they do corner like a dream, they can be very forgiving and inspire confidence. With all the potholes, speed bumps, oil, diesel, gravel, etc found around Mexico I would not consider any other type of bike. I am on my third BMW, my first GS (GSA) since 2008, and I could not be happier at all!!!

    I is absurd to compare them with sport bikes, they serve a very different purpose. A fashion trend (down here at least) is making 1200 GS a desirable bike for many new riders (nothing wrong with that), but forgiving as they may be, they won't make a competent rider out of anyone just like magic.
    The last couple of years, the new riders with big GS bikes are seriously growing, and one has to watch out for there a lot of hazardous riders out there!!

    "It is the indian, not the arrow" as I have heard. A friend of mine, who I frequently ride with, is a BMW motorrad instructor and keeping up with him is demanding, no matter what he rides.:huh
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  9. KradmelderSA

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    My GS is a quick solid handling bike. But with knobblies on its becomes somewhat unstable past 160 kmh and cornerring suffer, so the zoom zombies shoot past me. They also out accelerate me. But the average cruiser, scrambler or street bike is quickly a speck in your rear view mirror.

    I also notice many people are getting GSes as first bikes. I used to think that is insane as they will kill themselves on such large powerful bikes. But it is an easy bike to ride and very forgving for beginners. The ABS and good brakes and ASC are useful for that. Im sure starting off ona super bike as a first bike is a much quicker way to turn up your toes, or use up your medical insurance.
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  10. Motzilla

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    You have a point right there! Personally I suppose if my son ever wanted to get started on motorcycles, light dirt bike would be a place to begin, but I would be more at ease (should he later decided to go for the street) if he chose one of the lighter GS models instead of a sport bike!
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    Of course the reason you see all those BMW 1200s hauling up the canyon is so that they can catch up to their friends on the KTMs that took the more direct dirt route!:lol3
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    We pick up our worry beads there and then move off down the road...
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    Ja, in the old days when many learnt to ride, light scramblers, 50s 125s etc were the way to get started. Now with many people starting late, GS bikes provide another entry.

    What are common erors for newbies which causes accidents for new riders:

    Grabbing a fist full of brakes and going down - ABS helps prevent that
    poor throttle response panicing and opening throttle - ASC prevents that rear tyre spin and sliding out
    poor visibility and not looking ahead - upright sitting on GS bikes encourages looking ahead, not down like on a superbike

    The flat power curve also makes the bike forgiving about poor gear selection when cornering

    Superbikes would be the most deadly place to start. Whether its the low visibility, power, speed of superbikes, or the kind of people attracted to them that make super bikes so lethal Im not sure. But I recall reading they have far higher accident rates than other bike types.
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  14. DanielBarton

    DanielBarton One of everything...

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    I do not have nowhere near the riding experience as a number of you on this forum. From I have seen while driving my bike, the BMWs' are not going excessively faster than anyone else. I usually see the sportbike crowd tearing it up on mostly open highway. The HD crowd kind of keeps along with everyone else.

    From my limited experience with my present bike ( '12 R12R ) it's such a stable platform at all speeds and instills confidence when driving in different condidtions: sun, rain, winds, day, night, city or highway. The day I bought my BMW, it's was raining cats and dogs and very windy. The dealer offered to give me a ride home and that I could pick my bike up when the weather was better. I said no thanks, I plan driving in all types of weather, so this will give me an idea of what to expect. Needless to say it really was the smoothest bike I've ever driven in the wind and rain, rock solid all the way.
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    Well that is an achievement. Riding a new bike you have never ridden before, on new tyres not yet run in, in high winds and rain. The angels were smiling on you that day :D. Well done! But hope you put insurance on before leaving the dealer!

    Ive ridden in heavy wind, rain with water on the road, and it got dark, and its uberkak. But I wasnt on a new bike :D .
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  16. Boondox

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    I did the same thing when I picked up my GSA. The GS I traded was such a solid bike in all conditions that I didn't even hesitate riding the new bike 3 hours home through heavy rain and moderate snow (heavy, late season flakes that didn't stick).

    There are bikes I would only ride in better weather. The GSA is ridden in anything; heavy rains help wash away the clumps of mud.
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  17. DanielBarton

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    Well, I did a demo ride the previous weekend for a grand total of 25 minutes. :D I will say I was extra careful nonetheless. But since it's so well balanced it was as if the bike was yawning, as if to say: is there anything else you want to do?:lol3
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  18. beemerphile

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    My Yamaha TMax scooter will corner faster than my BMW. However, I have passed a couple of red, white, and green leather-clad Ducati riders on Georgia 60. It was so bad that they were embarrassed to stop at Two Wheels Only and continued on towards Blue Ridge. They looked like Starbucks riders from Atlanta with all the high-zoot color coordinated equipment but no riding skills.

    My BMW isn't much of a corner-carver and I am not much of a road-racer, but after a few gazillion miles on it I can use everything it has. Jay Leno said once that riding a Japanese sport bike was like going to bed with an aerobics instructor. You couldn't use everything she had, and if you tried to it would kill you. Not so the beemer, comfortable at the limits, even though the limits are not too difficult to reach.

    Your cruiser is probably suffering from the simple limitations of low cornering clearance, $1.98 shocks, a compromised riding position, shitty brakes, hard tires, and an overly-raked front fork.
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    That's kind of how BMWs are, bike or car.
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    What other way could one want to die?