BMW F650 in a Diet!

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  1. Damian_74

    Damian_74 Been here awhile

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    <!-- #dg-post-title --><!-- message -->Have just scored another 2005 Dakar on the cheap - am thinking of going to town with the grinder and scales!!

    Have any of you blokes looked into a different swing arm? I hate the adjusting system and having to run it towards the end of it's adjustment to fit in an 18" wheel - and it is very heavy!

    Looked a a KTM 640 bit it was too narrow to fit on the back of the Rotax engine, the only other option that I can think is is a Husaberg (also runs the chain in the right) but from the photos that I have seen the linkage set up looks all wrong. Any one have know of any other bikes that I could steal a swing arm from?

    The other option is to make my own - Had a think, made a couple of drawings, checked the aluminum stock sizes and it can be done - I have a lathe, mill and TIG!
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  2. Damian_74

    Damian_74 Been here awhile

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    There are so many to choose from!

    Have done lots of looking, and I keep coming back to 6061 - easy to get hold of, highly weldable, machines, and heat treatable.

    Had a chat with the foundary manager of Harob Engineering, the cost of having the swingaarm heat treated after fabrication is very low - off the top of his head he was talking about $4/ Kg - that seems very cheap but I am sure there are other costs (min charge, setup or something like that).

    He also suggested having it anneled to T7 grade - have spent some time looking on the new but can't find any specifications for 6061 T7 - can anyone help here?

    http://www.engineersedge.com/aluminum_tempers.htm
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  3. tex_downey

    tex_downey Been here awhile

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    i can post as Im no longer taking over taking over the f650 thread. :clap thanks for starting a new one.


    I know it would be a pain but I have a tig and lots of time, I was womdering about just fabing one up out of AL plates. thicken it up and see how it works.

    But then I wonder it it would just be easyer to get one off a G650X, I keep hearing its the short travel that caused them to break so I will have to see.



    SIDE NOTE

    Im going to start with a AL subframe as its a bit safer to work with, its higher so changing it to AL will lower my center of gravity.
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  4. Parx400

    Parx400 Long timer

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    I think we should start with the TT Aluminium swing arm and see what went wrong. It might be something that could be fixed. The TT Germany site has a pretty popular forum but its all in German. Anyone here Speak German and want to ask? I'm sure we could find someone who knows the issues. Hell maybe someone has a cracked on in their garage someone could have as a starting point.
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  5. Jakub

    Jakub Adventurer

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    Both the Factory F650R and the Touratech Race Kit bikes had different swing arms compared to stock.
    You can try contacting Touratech for info about there's. The Factory race bike one is unobtanium.

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    BMW Factory swing arm (ala Andrea Mayer)
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  6. Damian_74

    Damian_74 Been here awhile

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    Ally Sub-Frame is on my fabrication list too - please post all
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  7. tmotten

    tmotten Lefthand ride Dutchy

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    That wouldn't be to hard. Although you'll need a proper mandrel bender if you want to use the OEM seat because the beams have compound bends in them. The Xc uses OD 20 x 25. Thick 2mm. Not sure on the ali used though but I doubt it's it's super high grade.
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    tex_downey Been here awhile

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    Oh I will. three weeks and a 2000+ mile ride home and ill be back to my Garage. :clap

    Oh Baby how I have missed you. :cry

    the worst part is my GF has the keys and she said I cant get them back for a mounth, but at that rate I think ill just have to ditch the GF, I have work to do. :lol3
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    What have you found for material for the swingarm? The closed I have found that I think might work is 80mm x 40mm x 4mm wall (would be more comfortable with 5mm wall). The alloy is 6060 which I believe isn't quite as strong as 6061, or 6063 (which is close to 6061 and some folks I've talked with consider interchangable). Still, I think it might work. It would be nice if it was a bit narrower, but the next size down at this distributor is 80x30x3wall and I'm just not sure it'll cut it. I wonder how much it would cost to get some custom extrusions?

    I think that if I want to do a direct mount shock I'll need more tank clearance, which means I'll need to modify my tank or make a new one. Think it might be better to make a new one. How? Not sure yet, but I'll probably be making an aluminum sub frame as well. 6061/6063 seems the material of choice, as it's everywhere. I considered titanium, but material cost is prohibitive. Still might. It would be pretty sick.

    Lojack
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    tex_downey Been here awhile

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    +1:lol3
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  11. LoJack

    LoJack Long timer

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    Yeah, is a 3lb. subframe really worth a $500 materials cost?
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    Back in the day I swapped the steel tubular swing arm on my 77 KZ1000 with an aluminum swing arm from a Suzuki GS1000. It used the same diameter swing arm bolt, I just had to shim it with washers. I'm not sudgesting you try to bolt on a swing arm from a 1980 Susuki...or am I ?:rofl
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    tmotten Lefthand ride Dutchy

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    It's not that much here, but still not worth it I thought. It's about A$100/m and you need just over 3m. You need to get it welded as well.
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  14. notmybikemodelname

    notmybikemodelname KOTW is a myth!

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    That's a good story, have another one?
    This is how. Not only is it only 5 lbs and acts as the sub frame, it also holds 6.7 gallons and allows for 11.5 inches of travel due to the over-swing arm shock position and angle being changed. And, it uses a G650X seat pan that has been finished by Renazco. This seat is half the weight of stock F650

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  15. LoJack

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    Yeah, it's about $30/ft here. Give or take. But then you have the mounting tabs, bits for the exhaust mount(s) and taillight, etc. Cut fee's when you only need 8" of 1x0.25" plate and what not. Think I added it up a while ago and got around $500.

    As far as welding goes, I worked at a custom bicycle manufacturer as a welder for 5 years that specializes in ti. Comfy cozy with a torch in my hand and some 3/2.5 on my bench.
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    LoJack Long timer

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    Rob, I'll make you an aluminum swing arm and trade it for one of those. What do you say?
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  17. notmybikemodelname

    notmybikemodelname KOTW is a myth!

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    That's a good story, have another one?
    Sounds Good. Is it done yet? :D

    But seriously, I'm down for that if you're serious.

    And, I'm a great crash test dummy. Just ask anyone who know me. I can break anything............:rofl

    BTW, this whole mod resulted in a weight savings of nearly 20 lbs. And the new seat allows for riding the bike like a real dirt bike. I can nearly slide all the way up to the bars on the seat and pinch the seat to whip it around like a small bike.
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  18. LoJack

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    Yes, serious. I want it to be worth thrashing and it would be slick to have one of those sub frame tanks of yours. But it's barely in the design stages. By spring ideally. The ground is just starting to freeze here. Trying to decide if I want to put studs on my 450's tires and join the local yahoos on the lakes.:eek1
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    notmybikemodelname KOTW is a myth!

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    That's a good story, have another one?
    Well I'll ride and test mine through the winter and then make a set of complete molds for Scrimping. It's super trick, bolts right up and the fuel pump drops right in. You'll need to run a small battery like a Sycl and also a racing K&N filter without the intake snorkel. This mod really simplifies the bike too it's bare essentials.

    These changes result in another 7-8lbs in weight savings.
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  20. LoJack

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    Got the Sycl already:evil There is an airbox mod involved as well, right? Or do you just clamp the K&N right onto the intake?
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