Bmw f800gs, 2013 super tenere, triumph 800xc or ktm1190 adv

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Colorado Bryee, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. Colorado Bryee

    Colorado Bryee Been here awhile

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    OK - I am really having Adventure bike withdrawls. In 2006 I sold my GS ADV. Fast forward a couple years and I picked up a 2007 Multistrada - I really loved both bikes - The GS was getting a bit heavy for me but the Multi was perfect. But the Multi lacked ABS - something I really want again. So here I am looking at the options today - pretty nice, but with choice comes confusion. I am not going Ducati Multi because new they are pretty expensive and maint costs are high.

    I really like the new 800 GS ADV - With bags it will set me back about 17K plus some change.

    The Triumph XC seams nice price with bags would be more like 13K but dealer network is thin but getting better - worried it may be too small but have not tested it yet (or any of these bikes for that matter)

    2013 Super Ten can be had for under 11K new minus bags. Seems like they have a great rep for being very reliable and dealers are everywhere. Heard complaints about power but I am not sure that would be an issue my 2003 GS was only 85 stock and I was very happy with the bike.

    The KTM seems amazing on paper, but is harder to get the hens teeth and again dealer network is thin

    All four bikes have ABS and Traction Control. The GS has Electronic Suspension as does the KTM. None in the list have Cruise - Darn as I get older I really find Cruise important. Throttle locks are OK but it is hard to beat cruise.

    So here are some questions that may help me narrow the choice:

    1. First I am 5' 11" with a 35" inseam - I like room to stretch on a bike so which of these bike would be best for a long legged girl.:eek1

    2. Most of my riding will be burning rubber on back roads not dirt roads. I do want the ability to go off but truth is that time will be much smaller compared to back road touring. So which bike would be the most comfy for doing road miles? :D

    3. Can cruise be added to any of these bikes without much trouble or huge expense?:eek1

    4. Range between fill ups really is nice. My GS was an easy 250 often more before thinking about gas. So which of these has the best real world range.:1drink

    5. The new 2014 Super 10 looks like it has added cruise, power and electronic suspension for just a bit more then the 800 GS Adv. Worth a wait or save 5 k and get a 13? :wink:

    6. Am I missing a bike I should be looking at. :norton

    A little bit more about me that may help. When I rode with friends they always wanted to run 90 on the interstate, I was happy at 75 to 80. Get us in the mountains and the table was flipped I loved to fly through the curves and was always way ahead of the pack, stopping and waiting for them to catch up. Also in 3 years on my GS I rode over 5OK. Hope that helps.

    Thanks for help and input.:ear:D
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  2. fbj913

    fbj913 On the Beemer Kool-Aid

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    if it must be one of these bikes, 1190 it should be.
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  3. John Ashman

    John Ashman Adventurer Wannabe

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    1200 Tiger?

    I'm a pretty short guy and althought the 800GS is a bit too tall, to me, they feel like a fairly compact dirt bike (I almost bought the street version before my wife converted that money into a car). I think that is a better offroad bike to met than most, with the thinner seat and more dirt bike ergos.
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  4. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    I have the Tenere and have been really happy with it. Then I rode an 1190. All I can say is WOW!

    As you mentioned hard to find. I'm still a little leery of overall KTM maintenance and dependability
    but that bike is amazing.

    If your GS started to feel heavy to you the Tenere will not be a cure for that. Bullet proof and takes
    a little time to grow on you.

    I also have tried the 800. Felt cramped to my 32 inch inseam. Fun, fun motor.
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  5. MitchG

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    Want pluric said! ST is by far the best, especially at the fire sale prices that the 2013 are going for. Just gota accept the weight and learn to live with it.
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  6. Colorado Bryee

    Colorado Bryee Been here awhile

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    My GS was a 2003 and adv model. The weight when fueled was very high on the bike - my issue mostly around town not when riding. So do you think the super ten is as top heavy as the older GS adv - if so that would be a game changer.

    All I read about the KTM is WOW. Not sure on reliability issue either. There bikes do well being thrashed in Dakar (no GS) some Yameers though. So I think the engine is OK other stuff time will tell. I wish I could find one to test ride.

    I was afraid the 800xc would be a little small.

    Thanks for input tough call. I think I would be happy with any of them.

    Oh one more thing I forgot - shaft drive only super ten has it in the group I am looking at nice to not have to worry about belts or chains. :freaky
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  7. ViperJustin

    ViperJustin Retired HH60G Gunner

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    Another vote for the S10.

    KTM- Questionable reliability, but that engine is a hoot!
    800XC- On paper, its perfect. But there's just something about it that I dont like (other than the EXTREMELY close gearing).
    F800GSA- Its buzzy, but fun. But Id rather have the Triumph 800 over it. Im just F***ING sick and tired of getting raped from BMW services. ($700-$1000 per 6k service?!?!?! FML!!!)
    Yamaha Super Tenere- Yeah, she's a heavy bike. But I only felt the heft when I was moving it around the dealer floor. Once you get going, all that weight goes away, and it feels lighter than a comparable GSW. And yes... STONE DEAD RELIABLE!!!


    I gotta sell the MegaMoto and buy a Super Tenere. Ill miss the MM, but I think that'll all go away as soon as I take the Tenere offroad.
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  8. Colorado Bryee

    Colorado Bryee Been here awhile

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    So is the 800 GS as bad as the 1200 GS for service. What is the service interval of these bikes - pretty sure GS is 6k but not sure on the others. :ear
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  9. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    Consider the motor and associated buzz of the F800GS if your rides take you on long stretches of freeway/highway. I think the KTM makes a lot of sense given what you've described, or even a base model GSW (or a used one).

    Best success,
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  10. ViperJustin

    ViperJustin Retired HH60G Gunner

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    I'm not familiar with the F800 maintenance schedules. My views are based off of my test ride (about an hour) and my last two bmws and their costs.
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  11. Roadscum

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    I've owned a 800XC and now have a Super Tenere and a BMW F800GT.
    In terms of reliability, and cost/ease of maintenance it the Yamaha all the way. Shaft drive is a good good thing, no chain lube, no chain adjustment, no lube splattered on the bike or rider. A recent Consumer Reports customer survey shows Yamaha to be the most reliable motorcycle with BMW being 6 times more likely to have an issue then Yamaha. BMW wa at the bottom of the list along with H-D. That is also my experience over many many years of riding all brands, and Yamaha Customer Support has been outstanding.

    I live in Florida and found the Triumph 800XC put out a lot of engine heat, seems all their triples do, it was a problem for me.

    The new Honda CB500X is getting great reviews and might be something you should consider.

    The "power issue" with the Super Tenere is a fuel/engine management issue a that is cured with a $450 reflash of the ECU. Top end cruising speed is not affected. Symptoms include a hesitation off idle and a power reduction in the first 3 gears. My '12 has had the reflash( hell, it's only money) and I very happy with the results. I've ridden a friends new '13 w/o the reflash and it seemed to be much improved over the stock '12. If I had a'13 I'd not bother with the reflash.

    1st major service with a valve check/adj. on the Super Tenere is at 26K miles, it's a PITA and will take several hours.


    "13 vs "14, depends how important cruise control is to you as the basic '14 will have it. Of course ES will also be available on the pricier model.

    Yamaha also has an extended warranty program the allows you to purchase an extended warranty, in increments of a year, for a total of 6 years. I rarely keep a bike for more then 2 years but had I purchased the extended warranty the Yamaha would be a keeper. I will get a '14 later this year with the extended warranty... I really really like this bike!
    Paul


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  12. steveWFL

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    Ktm
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  13. swimmer

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    The tiger doesn't have TC.
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  14. NSpooner

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    I'm kind of going through the same process. I think if I felt I could trust the KTM not to break I would go with that, but I am leaning towards the Yamaha myself. I will be putting on some fairly big miles and mostly on the road so I want something dead reliable. I need to find a S10 to test ride though first, but it's hard to ignore the killer deals on them.
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  15. Hikertrash

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    Rumor is KTM may be adding cruise control to the 2015 1190 Adventure. Not sure if you can wait that long. I'm kind of in the same boat as well. I want to trade in my 2011 1200GSA for something comparable in engine size, but needs to be water cooled since I've had overheating problems when commuting in traffic in the summer. These bikes are supposed to be able to travel around the world, yet I have to turn it off when stuck in traffic in the summer. I'm leaning towards the 2014 S10 because of the cruise control, but I do like the lighter weight and horsepower of the 1190 Adventure R. I had F650GS (798cc) twin about 3 years ago and traded it in 2 months later for the GSA because it wasn't enjoyable riding on the highway. I am a big fan of the shaft drive because I ride everyday 365 days a year so the less maintenance for me, the better and that's kind of why the S10 is tipping the scales because I want a reliable bike for commuting and long distance touring.
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  16. Boxmonkey

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    If my memory is correct the Tiger and 800GS have 12k mile valve services. So if you do the simple pm stuff like oil and chain, they only go to the dealer for every other service. My Tiger 800 was more comfortable on the road and less buzzy, but heat from the motor is an issue. My current 800GS is buzzy at certain rpm's, but I enjoy riding it more than I did the Tiger.
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  17. Colorado Bryee

    Colorado Bryee Been here awhile

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    I never had an overheating issue with my 2003 GSA or my 1998 R1100RT in traffic - that is not to say they did not get hot they did but they never reached the danger zone - darn close at times but never there. The worst I remember is my RT in sturgis 100 degrees and over an 1hr getting through town she was hot and I was smelling the dry clutch burn. :eek1

    On Cruise - I can live without it but would much rather live with it. There are work arounds but none are as good as real cruise. With both the S-10 and KTM being throttle by wire I am surprised it was not already there it is software more then anything with a fly by wire throttle. So I will bet KTM adds it. Also wonder if it could be added to older bikes. - Nah! they almost never give people with older bikes a break like that.:cry

    The KTM does sound pretty nice but my never get a chance to ride one else I lay my money down. :wink:
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  18. ViperJustin

    ViperJustin Retired HH60G Gunner

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    I got to test ride an 1190 R and after 5 minutes idling, (waiting for the dealer escort), it was a like sitting on an oven. Anything under 25Mph, I felt the heat mainly off of the left side. Anytime I was stopped at a light or stop sign, it got very hot. It was maybe 70 degrees out. There were no indications of it overheating on the dash, but damn!!! I loved the power, but I don't like ktm reliability (or lack thereof) or the price here (nearly $20k, otd). But it sure makes me smile like a hipster doofus!

    The Yamaha is heavier, but it's better on the road and from what I've experienced (very little) and have read, it gets the job done offroad.
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  19. Colorado Bryee

    Colorado Bryee Been here awhile

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    My Local dealer has a 2013 Super Ten on the floor. The added the Yamaha Side cases, top box, engine guard and skid plate. The total cost of all the goodies was about 2300 plus the $500 for install. They want 15,995 out the door - that seems high. $500 for labor is high since most of looks like straight bolt on. It is the Dark Gray color ( I kind of like the color) Another dealer has a 2013 without farkles that is $12,000 - not sure if that is out the door or not price. It is a white one (like that color as well) but I have not seen this one in person yet. I think I can get them down on the farkled one. I am thinking $14,800 with all the farkles. My major concern is not sure the Yamaha bags are the ones I would choose if the bike was naked and I was choosing the farkles and feel the same about the Skid Plate and Engine Guard. :norton

    I am sure you may be wondering how I liked my ride. Well in short I liked it. It was mid 50 with a strong 20 to 30 wind out of the south. I took for a short twenty minute ride on some back roads near the dealer. Reminded me a lot of my GS. The bike had about 330 miles so was not broke in yet. I did not notice any vibration that would bother me at all - just enough I knew I was riding a motorcycle but not any more. It was in touring mode and did not feel snappy when you grabbed a handful - I think others have mentioned that issue - maybe the sport mode or maybe needed the ECU flashed. I there where a lot more RPMs left so I am sure she would get up and go when needed. She seemed to gain speed in a very relaxed fashion - did not really take any time to get to 75 - the bike was so relaxed about getting there made if feel slower then I think it really was. Seating position - the seat - bar position all where darn near perfect for my size and height and long legs. Felt like I had plenty of room - I have missed that for a while - most bikes are not made for long legged folk like me. 20 min is too short to tell how she would feel after an hour in the saddle but I am guessing pretty darn good. The strong side gust I felt on my ride where noticeable but pretty much a none issue. Tall bikes are always at a disadvantage - I think was less affected by wind then my Multi - she was easy for the wind to blow around. So again to make a long story short I liked it - I think if I rode it more I would like it even more. :1drink

    I still want to ride a GS800 ADV and a standard 1200GS I think I will pass on the 800XC excess engine heat is something I do not want. :puke1

    Decisions Decisions:clap
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  20. cory1848

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    I have an 800XC and live in Florida and I don't have an issue with the heat. Never bothered me. However at the time I bought my XC if I could have had a S10 for the same price, no question the S10 would have come home with me. There was a $3k difference for me and that made it out of my budget.
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