BMW G650X Issue Log (xCountry, xChallenge, xMoto)

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by andrewgore, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. mcgarrett

    mcgarrett Been here awhile

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    Model: xChallenge
    Year: 2007
    ABS: Yes
    Mileage at time of issue: Unknown, currently 92xx
    Date of occurrence: Just noticed shortly after buying bike, might have been this way at time of purchase.
    Modifications (if any): None before issue.
    Description of Failure(s): ABS light not working
    Resolution (if any):
    Reference Thread:

    I noticed that my ABS light isn't working when I tried to turn off the ABS. ABS itself does work and can be turned off/on, but the light isn't coming on at all even at startup. It's possible the bike already did this when I bought it a few months ago. I would like to avoid replacing the entire gauge cluster.
  2. macrocephalic

    macrocephalic Adventurer

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    My bike has a dead LED in the cluster for the right indicator. The PO put a separate light on the edge of the cluster for roadworthy reasons. I have heard of others having issues with LEDs in the cluster dying. If you're brave then you might be able to open it and solder a new one on... I haven't bothered though.
  3. trainman

    trainman Been here awhile

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    I have found a 2009 X-Country for $4000 and 2700 miles on it to buy. The bike is owned by someone who I know and I do know that he has had the hot starting issue. I have owned a 2001 650 Dakar before and never had any of these issues that for some reason I just don't know if I want this bike. It's hard to believe that this bikes have so many problems when earlier models didn't. I do think that ethanol fuels are probably the biggest problems with these bikes, but how come my 01 Dakar never had them when it ran on ethanol. The new Husky 650's seem to not have these problems and it BMW 650 powered. I would just buy the Husky, but since BMW sold Husky to KTM owner who knows what will happen to the Husky 650. I just don't know if I want to buy the bike and deal with all the problems that these bike have, at 68 I really just want to ride and not work on them.

    John
  4. Butters

    Butters Kwyjibo

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    Actually, there are numerous reports of 2000-2001 F650s having "surging" issues related to the FI. Some early TR650s also had cold start issues, but they are easily remedied with an updated ECM flash.

    It's easy to get jaded reading a problem thread about a particular bike and getting a skewed view as to it's reliability. The fact is, the X bikes are pretty darn reliable, but certainly not perfect. A big reason is due to the short production run not allowing time to work the bugs out of a new bike. Because of the numerous battery recalls, the X bikes further had their reliability questioned. But once the bikes had the Exide batteries replaced, the vast majority of problems disappeared. I can't imagine there is still an X bike anywhere with an Exide battery.

    Other than a bad battery, my bike has been totally reliable over 10K miles. But others have suffered through some FI issues. Many of those were fairly easily remedied. Others had a much more difficult time.

    If the bike you're looking at is running well at this point, I would expect it to be every bit as reliable as your Dakar. But if it already has some drivability issues, I would want to be sure I could get that sorted before I bought it. YMMV.
  5. trainman

    trainman Been here awhile

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    Butters, thanks on the reply, my 2001 Dakar was manufactured after the Jan. 2001 change date for the upgraded fuel injector and it never had the 3800-4000 rpm surge. I understand the battery issues, not really a BMW engineering problem, but why all the other running problems and it's 9 years latter for this engine and electronics. I purchased the new Honda CRF250L and it's light years ahead of the 650 BMW's for just an extra bike to ride, what can I say, it's a Honda. Anyway I just got back from riding the BMW650XC and it runs fine at this time, couldn't find any issues and the owner had just replaced the battery four months ago, but did admit that he had the hot start issue, and the stalling when cold, but not at the present time, the dealer did replace some parts and that he said corrected the problem. Still undecided at this time.

    John
  6. macrocephalic

    macrocephalic Adventurer

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    Pretty much all my problems have been related to the battery or electricals. I've had to replace the fan (which is not a BMW part so you can buy it cheap from somewhere else) and I've had to replace the battery and learn to put it on a battery tender every so often.

    Even now it can sometimes crank over for 10 seconds when it's warm (really only happens after getting fuel) but as long as the battery is reasonably healthy then it will eventually start.

    Otherwise it's cheap and fairly reliable (for a single). Mine now has about 55k km on it and the only issue is the second gear selector fork.
  7. LTCOliverNorth

    LTCOliverNorth Peeping Tom

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    Where did you buy the fan, and what's the alternate (non-bmw) part number?
  8. macrocephalic

    macrocephalic Adventurer

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  9. aprilian

    aprilian Can I change this?

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    Ignition switch melted.

    Solution option 1 - buy $100 part from 650x parts list
    option 2 - buy $5 auto parts store toggle and hide it
    option 3 - buy $35 used parts off ebay that were already starting to melt
    option 4 - buy new scarabeo 50 ignition switch for $39 and canabalize only the parts I wanted.

    Temporarily I went with #2

    Option 4 was only possible because I studied pictures of many Zadi switches and came to the conclusion that they all had the same 8 contacts inside and it was just a question of how many contacts each one used. I bought the Scarabeo 50 (cheapest one from AF1 Racing) and dismantled it. Basically the swap is simple enough that if you have basic mechanical skills you will figure it out.

    Unscrew (2 Phillips) releasing the wiring pod from the switch on both old and new. Pry off the black cap from the new and clip the two extra wires - you only need the orange and green. cut the molex connector to free the pins. install on the bottom of your existing key switch and swap connectors into the old white connector.

    Camera phone memory was full - sorry no piccies
  10. macrocephalic

    macrocephalic Adventurer

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    My bike only had two wires in the ignition switch to start with. The previous owner might have snipped some - or it might have just been like that from the factory.
  11. Gyan50

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  12. aprilian

    aprilian Can I change this?

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    Mine had two wires too. But it still has 8 contacts (6 unused) from factory. Your PO did not snip anything.
  13. transworld

    transworld Adventurer

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    Model: xCountry
    Year: 2009
    ABS: Yes
    Mileage at time of issue: 9,000
    Date of occurrence: June 2013.
    Modifications (if any): None.
    Description of Failure(s): Stalls when hot and driving, loss of power in low RPMs, takes a long time to get speed
    Resolution (if any):
    Reference Thread:

    Since the weather got hot here, I have problems with the bike especially when stuck in the NYC traffic. As the bike get hot, it stalls when I slow down, and I have no power in low RPMs and a two seconds lag when i accelerate.
    Right now I am thinking maybe to change the battery which may not send enough juice once the fan is blowing hard? When I look at the dash voltmeter, it sometimes get down to 12.2
    The exhaust is stock, would that be a possible problem as well?

    Thanks!
  14. SchillerM

    SchillerM Been here awhile

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    Have you monitored battery voltage when this happens? That should help tell you if its a battery issue.

    Matt

  15. transworld

    transworld Adventurer

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    Voltage can go as low as 12.2 when fan is blowing hard. Battery is Yuasa. When the bike is cold, and riding well, i am at 13.5 to 14.1 V

    Thanks!
  16. Vladtux

    Vladtux Been here awhile

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    The test you can do is simply to see how much the fan is working; just turn on the bike and leave alone in that way and after 15min more or less the fan start to work... so you can check what happen...btw check the coolant liquid level too...

    Good luck! ;)
  17. transworld

    transworld Adventurer

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    Coolant level OK. Drops to 12.2 V once fan blows at full force...
  18. SchillerM

    SchillerM Been here awhile

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    Ignition switch got me today. Was rolling along in carpool lane at ~75 and bike just shut down. Pulled over and played with key and finally got it to come back, took back off, got an occasional 0MPH and ABS light, died again, rolling on shoulder I got it going, off freeway again... That one took about 5 minutes to get it to go, including wiggling of cable underneath.
    Made it to work and pulled ignition down, saw this

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    After some dremel work and running tghrough parts bins, I now have

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    Not the prettiest, but killed some time on a slow holiday at work... And it works! My backup is a jumper clip and wire cutters...

    I am VERY glad this happened to me instead of my wife (this is going to be her bike soon)

    Maybe I will get lucky and dealer will help cover the part...

    Matt
  19. aprilian

    aprilian Can I change this?

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    You can fix it with an Aprilia scooter ignition set from AF1 - $32


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  20. mcgarrett

    mcgarrett Been here awhile

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    Same exact thing happened to me with X-Challenge on my Trans Lab Loop last week. One wire broke while we were waiting for ferry at Rivière du Loup. Mobile electrician came out and soldered it. Other one broke several days later. We hot wired it, got it to service station, but cylinder part had fallen off; wires were melted together. We rigged up a toggle switch to hold me until I can get home.