BMW G650X Issue Log (xCountry, xChallenge, xMoto)

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by andrewgore, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. DoucheBag

    DoucheBag feminine hygiene product

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    What are your symptoms? if you want to avoid the delaer you can always get on of these:

    http://www.gs911usa.com/
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  2. Cosmickjack

    Cosmickjack Adventurer

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    Ahh,
    sorry Barry I may have slightly miss led you there,
    What I will be doing is taking the crank,valves and any other smashed parts
    from the G650 and transplanting them with the Cs parts.

    So i will have a G650 motor with Cs parts inside it because you are quite correct.
    The Cs cases are indeed different than the G650X.
    I do not believe there is anything inherently wrong with the G650,
    my engine was just a Friday afternoon engine.:D
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  3. Grafspee

    Grafspee one bike is never enough

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    Not opposed to using the dealer (have in the past and will I the future) but I do like working on my own bikes. I think it gives you more confidence when traveling. This isn't my first EFI bike, most of my stuff has had carbs, and usually an airhead.

    Symptoms: Went for a great dualsport ride in Missouri (Castor River area) and the bike ran great all weekend until the ride home. It started to stall on me in the last 50 or so miles heading home. When I would come to a stop or slow down to a crawl. Checked the voltage as I was riding and it was running low. In the last couple of days the bike starts fine but will not stay idling for long. I you keep the revs up for the first few miles it runs fine after that. Until, you start it up again. I have never had any problems starting the bike, but it does want to stall.
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  4. BarryM

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    Blimey. That's brave. How certain are you that these bits are the same (or even similar)? The crank for one I believe is described as 'lighter' on the G series.
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  5. DoucheBag

    DoucheBag feminine hygiene product

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    sounds like battery to me, mine would only shut off when coming to a stop, or when quick braking after doing 1st gear whellies. Bike would always fire right back up with no issue, volt meter would be in the mid 13's...
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  6. Janet from Joisey

    Janet from Joisey Bad Kitty

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    Model: xCountry
    Year: 2009
    ABS: Non-ABS
    Mileage at time of issue: approx 3,000 pavement miles with approx 20 miles on gravel; nothing extreme.
    Date of occurrence: first noticed July 16, 2009
    Modifications (if any): cannister removed; ATV-heated grip elements under handgrips.
    Description of Failure(s): header pipe started looking discolored; then, during 10-day SouthEast trip, noticed loss of top end power (felt like it had a throttle stop); difficulty accelerating and passing at highway speeds; low speed stuff felt okay (completed TransWV trail); exhaust sounded loud with rattle.
    Resolution (if any): at conclusion of 10-day trip, brought bike to dealer; welds on catalyst inside of exhaust broke off which plugged up the exhaust system. Warranty offered for new header pipe and exhaust pipe. I chose to go with aftermarket exhaust and header featured on BMW microfiche, the Akrapovic header and exhaust system. Dealer charged me for the difference between it and stock system. No reported problems with fitment under Hepco-Becker pannier racks. Have not ridden the bike w/ new system yet (getting picked up today), but reports are that it is awesome. One note of caution: your mileage may vary per your own dealer's policies regarding warranty replacement.
    Reference Thread: Same issue as Andrew Gore's on page one of this thread (and about the same mileage). Also see his thread at:http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479425
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  7. Bike#8

    Bike#8 Been here awhile

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    I had my XMoto in with the local BMW shop this week for oil/filter. They installed a new battery as part of a refit for the X series.
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  8. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    You go! A new Akra at half price! What a deal!

    Please provide step-by-step instructions for how we can bust the catalytic converter on our OEM cans. Thanks!
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  9. Janet from Joisey

    Janet from Joisey Bad Kitty

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    Keep an eye on your header pipe for discoloration. That was the first sign I had of things to come.
    My argument for the Akra header and pipe instead of a BMW stocker was that I did not want to have to replace this again in another 3k miles or after the warranty period.
    It cost me $600, but I gotta say that I talked with another dealer's parts department regarding the Akra pics on their microfiche (I was wondering if the 0-2 sensor is kept. . . it is), and the parts guy at this major dealer said that they would not swap the system for the difference. That they would replace the system with BMW stocker and I would have to buy an Akra and then I could sell the stocker.. . . so ymmv.
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  10. Cosmickjack

    Cosmickjack Adventurer

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    Simple,
    They have the same part numbers. :evil
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  11. plumber mike

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    Went out for a ride and stopped 5 miles from home to put in 1 gallon premium fuel. Bike almost would not start at the gas station. Got it running but would not run past half throttle. Limped it to dealer about 20 miles away. The bike would not start for them in the parking lot,but they pulled it right in( Sturgis BMW,Yamaha,Suzuki ROCKS) It started right up for them and they pulled the codes which came back saying short to ground(Voltage was 14.3 going there)which I was told was probably not cleared from my recent battery change. Ran like a champ coming home. Dealer recommended drilling air holes in my newly installed skidplate as vaporlock may have been the cause( I told them others have the same skid with no ill effects)

    It's going in soon as the bike now does not stay running with the sidestand down and bike in neutral.

    This bike is becoming a love/hate relationship and I am not sure if I will trust it until the problem is positively found and corrected. A new Akro exhaust might cheer me up:lol3
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  12. BarryM

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    There's no need to get smart:D

    Seriously though, that surprises me. I must admit I did take it at face value when I read that the Gs had a lighter crank in their quest for the extra 3hp. On reflection, I expect much of that comes from the lesser drag from the lower output alternator.

    Good luck anyway.
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  13. Cosmickjack

    Cosmickjack Adventurer

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    I totally agree Barry,
    when I bought mine I was under the impression that the X had a re-designed
    engine.
    After two months of mooching around finding info and then
    confirming the info with a friend at a BMW dealer(parts/service dept)
    I have come to the conclusion that some
    pulling of wool over eyes has been done by BMW.

    Even the cams are the same,
    also the piston ?
    The engine cases however,
    are different as is the lubrication system.

    Paul.
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  14. plumber mike

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    Back to the dealer today for loss of top end power and increase in decibels. Mechanic agreed something had come loose in the exhaust. Owner seems to be hellbent in thinking that skidplate is a problem(The noise is the skidplate resonating, the discoloration in the header is the lack of vent holes in the skid:lol3 Oh and wherever I got that bad gas...Don't go back) Anyway the service manager(thinks it came loose when I "crashed" my bike even though there is not a scratch on the pipe) is ordering parts under warranty and will look into an upgrade. I told them to get some more comfortable chairs as I'm becoming a regular. I was also told it's normal for new BMW owners to be in often for the first 6 months, until the bugs are worked out:huh
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  15. DRONE

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    Mike-Janet from Joisey had what sounds like the same problem with her exhaust and was able to upgrade to the Akra can for $600 using the warranty. Man, if you can do it, that's the way to go. The first mod I made to my bike when it was new was to get rid of that ridiculous BMW can. Do you know that the R1200 silencer is physically smaller than the G650X? What's up with that? Get rid of it!
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  16. apullin

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    So, I was just at the dealer yesterday. Apparently there was a recall on my 2007 Xcountry for a battery swap.
    However, they were unable to resolve my stalling issue.
    The bike has had the "pulse generator", or engine speed sensor, replaced for the stalling issue. Dealer claims it resolved the problem, which it did not.

    When I start bike from cold, will run fine for ~20 seconds, then start to idle poorly, and then cut out. This will happen repeatably every time. Will only stay running if I warm it up.
    Even when warm, bike will intermittently have poor idle, poor power delivery, and stall at a stop or while slowly turning.

    I removed the charcoal canister & solenoid (following directions on this forum) in an attempt to alleviate this problem. It did not help. I asked the dealer to read the codes on it; it only showed:
    "0443 - Timed valve tank breather, open circuit or output stage overloaded". Dealer said that remove the canister causes technical malfunctions with the bike. Dealer also said it is normal for the G650 line to run poorly and stall while cold. So pretty much they charged me $50 to warm up my bike for me... and that was even while they were making free money off recall repairs.

    I'm going to try and contact BMW Motorrad directly and get a definite answer to whether or not the bike is designed to be able to idle when cold.

    Hopefully I'll be able to borrow a GS911 unit and do some logging to figure out what is going on.
    I'm going to reinstall the charcoal canister and solenoid to eliminate that variable.
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  17. plumber mike

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    The pipe is a goner either way.I think they should replace the head pipe too since it has now turned a blackened bronze color. I'll either get an Akro upgrade from the dealer or I'll get a brand new stock pipe that will sit on a shelf in my garage and have to buy a pipe(which will not make me happy) Or I can leave the stock pipe and go bug them every few months or few thousand miles. The dealer said they would give me like $4500 if the bike was in good condition which they consider mine not to be :huh I've decided to ride it like I stole it for 3/36:lol3

    apullin-Why did your dealer charge you $50? I would be pissed. It's funny how they never mentioned that the bike was a POS when you bought it.I don't think the dealers know any more than the guys on this forum. If they did they would be able to accurately diagnose and correct the problem. I am not buying the "bad gas" theory that I was told. I have now made it a point to buy gas from a different place each time.
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  18. dakardad

    dakardad Not waiting for anyone

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    No problems, nada.
    TT tank, canister removed.
    I dont even know for sure what kind of battery it has.
    It starts every time and isnt weak. Year two.
    7k. Valves at 6k, perfect.
    Frequent oil changes-Lucas synthetic 20-50 motorcycle specific.
    I even bent my shifter, bashed it back with a rock, didn't break.
    Golden bike, I love it.
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  19. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    I'd be concerned that the added back pressure which burned your head pipe also put some excessive wear on the exhaust valve.

    I would not accept the bad gas theory either. Anyway, it's immaterial. Filling up with fuel is normal ops. If the gas were really bad, you are still due warranty. BMWNA can sue the fuel vendor if it can prove the gas is bad. It's not up to you to carry a fuel tester with you.
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  20. plumber mike

    plumber mike Highdive Deepened

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    I do feel your frustration and am sorry to hear about it. Keep us posted. I took some advice at the beginning of summer and bought a cheap back up bike. Why do I need a backup bike when I just bought a brand new bike. I'm frustrated too.I'm interested in your dealings pertaining to the lemon law protection(hoping it dosen't go that far, but knowledge is power)