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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by andrewgore, Jul 20, 2009.
One bad battery
Other than that, she's a keeper.
Good deal, that's what you should do. That should put the squeeze on BMW to figure out what's up.
Unfortunately, I can't do that, since I bought the bike used.
The dealer charged me $50 because, well, they wanted to charge me $102 for 1 hour of labor to "troubleshoot" the problem. I had request that they just read the ECU codes, but then they tried to troubleshoot it apparently.
Even though they did NOTHING; one serviceman claimed capping the line that went up under the intake box was a bad idea; I was under the impression that just went to a vacuum port on the TB? Oh well, I reinstalled charcoal canister now.
I realize that I put myself in a bad position by bringing it in without the charcoal canister installed.
And I'm a little annoyed that a dealership at which I've had several hundred dollars of service done (warranty & drop repairs) won't just read my codes gratis. Anyhow, I still have the papers, I'll attempt to get it refunded or comp'd somewhere in this epic saga.
So, I talked to a mechanic that fixes the Can-Am Spyders, which have rotax 990 engines; he says that the first thing he'd do is check the valve clearance. Will I void my warranty if I do that myself?
It seems like a number of people are having serious problems. I would say there is something endemic to this design. Maybe it's on Rotax's shoulders, maybe BMW. I'm going to have to totally re-engineer this bike to figure this issue out. Just have to get my hands on a GS911 unit.
I'm not sure how many guys on this forum have a G650X but I remember at one time there were over 100 lined up to buy Muckpee's tank so I gotta guess based on that that there's 200-300 on this forum at least. How many have had a problem? Take away the bad batteries, which BMW has already acknowledged and issued a recall for, and how many are left? Not so many.
I've never heard of a motorcycle on this planet that doesn't have problems. And some problems are not the bike's fault what with all our mods and tweeks. IMO the G650X is no more or less prone to problems than any other bike you can name. (Other than Honda. As we know, Hondas are not really from this planet.)
On the trail Sunday night, the bike repeatedly dies, then starts while in motion. At the second scheduled stop at the top of the mountain, it has issues when I turn the key. The dash lights up for a second or two, then goes dead. Several attempts later it, it lights up when I turn the front wheel all the way to the right. I start it and head out. 30 seconds later, it dies twice more. I wigggle the wire under the ignition switch, then it lights up and I continue.
I'm good for 20 more minutes, then it dies at a good stopping point on the trail. No dice on getting it moving again.
I end up taking off the seat, headlight, and fairing. We played with the fuses, nothing. The GPS still shows it has power supplied from the plug, so my battery isn't totally dead.
Eventually, I cram the ignition switch wires up into the switch housing and everything lights up, the fuel injection fires up, so I start the bike and slap everything together. As soon as I'm packed up to go, it dies when I straighten the front wheel. I stuff the igntion wires back up into the switch and it fires up and I restart the bike. I make it down the mountain with no further issues.
At home, I notice that I have ridden the last 25 miles with the key in the OFF position. The kill switch stops the engine, but turning the key does nothing. I pull the ignition wires down and it powers off. Just to confirm, I power it up and down a few times by playing with the wires under the ignition.
I took off the bottom of the ignition switich, opened it up and found one of the wires has a failed solder joint to the contacts and no sort of strain relief on the wires inside the housing. The solder joint looks like it wasn't done properly to begin with, so I'll see if BMW will cover a new one.
I'll get a photo of the part later.
Hey guys, first post here after reading this forum for months on end.
My bike G650X Challenge 08/09 model.
Probs: 2 x faulty batteries replaced on warranty, latest battery was replaced with the Yuasa brand.
Fuel pump wiring harness. Riding along then completely cut out - 140km from anywhere had to fault find it and temp fix it with the horn spade terminal. The spade terminal in the plug onto the actual fuel pump had broken. New harness on way.
Otherwise very happy with bike.
incidentally... all operational issues resolved and I've had perfect reliability and operation for a few weeks now. There is one oddity I will be reporting next though...
Originally Posted by paul_g
Mileage at time of issue: 3500
Date of occurrence: noticed it first in late August 2009
Modifications (if any): none
Description of Failure(s): not a failure really. I just noticed that there is something wrong with my front brake fluid reservoir. At least I perceive it to be a potential problem. Basically, it seems to leak up and around the gasket, and it always seems too low. Even when there isn't much in it, screwing the cap on causes fluid to leach out from under the cap. The brake works fine and is responsive. So... some questions...
1. anyone else having this problem?
2. is the liner of this reservoir supposed to have a "Z-shaped" recession to hold the fluid? (I've never seen one like this)
3. A BMW guy said it could be the brake pad. So, is it possible for a brake pad to be worn down to nothing in 3500 miles? I personally do mostly engine braking. I didn't even think of it, because I assumed it was the dealer's responsibility to have it fully prepped for resale and those kinds of basic safety measures should have been checked. (Don't laugh, but I looked at the manual, and tried to eye the brake pad, but I am not 100% sure what I'm looking for and the picture isn't helping. A motorcycle rider who doesn't know what his brake pad looks like? Yep! That's me. Still learning)
Happened to me on my Challenge, took it to the dealer & they warranty'd it... said it was a bad seal on the filler cap.
Good to know. Thanks.
The dealer wants me to stop by for a look at it. I seem to have a new battery coming to me too.
As it turns out, I DO need a new front brake pad already! A little irritated that the dealership didn't mention how low it was when they sold it to me, considering they had done a "22 point check" of the bike. Ordered the EBS for a fraction of the OEM pads.
It's both a relief and a disappointment to learn about it now, as I was planning my first longer trip for this weekend. Good thing I didn't go without noticing it, and too bad I didn't have the time to replace it.
Same thing happened to me: got home on the back of a tilt tray. Really crappy soldering in the ignition switch
I bought mine as a demo from the dealer with 450 miles on it... took it home, battery was dead, next week I discovered the rotor was warped and the fork seals we're leaking along with the seeping master cylinder.... as for the 22 point inspections
They did cover everything under warranty, just was a pain in the ass draging the bike back & forth, dealers 85 miles away...
May sound stupid, but anybody have a pic of the head pipe discoloration to look for?
The good news is that BMW is covering it under warranty and I'm getting a new battery from the recall as well.
The bad news is that BMW has to install warranty parts, so they've had my bike since Saturday, but I get to pick it up tonight.
Mileage at time of issue: ~200?
Date of occurrence:
Modifications (if any): emissions canister removed, airbox cover removed
Description of Failure(s): none!
Resolution (if any):
Haven't had a single problem... at 4500 miles now.
Mileage at time of issue: ~10k
Date of occurrence: Last few weeks (august-sept '09)
Modifications (if any): Lots
Description of Failure(s): Battery won't hold a charge. Fuel sensor/sender is sporatic at best.
Resolution (if any): Awaiting response from Dealer
Sorry I didn't get any pics of mine before I dropped it off at the dealer, but when it starts resembling a used BBQ grill rack, you might have a problem.
THis is the best I have...dark blue...
I'm curious DB, what color do you think it should be? I consider this normal.
+1 don't they all discolour when they get hot and dirty etc
The darker the color the hotter it got. It should turn a golden color with hints of blue. Not blue bordering on black. My exhaust got clogged with a sand like material(gunpowder like in color) There is a thread where a guy cut the tailpipe and then removed the baffle with a holesaw. That is what I did to unclog and it worked. Holding up fine after about 500 miles, but I have gotten a new exhaust without a cat to deal with excessive heat. Douchebags pipe looks like it got too hot at some point which I think could lead to other issues.