BMW R100RS vs Moto Guzzi SP1000

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by 110Mike, Feb 21, 2011.

  1. 110Mike

    110Mike Lug in my Kop

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    For long distance touring, which one will win?

    Do we have imates here that owned/rode both? And willing to give us an unbiased (do I hear laughter??) opinion?

    Both 1000cc ish
    Both full fairing offering by all accounts excellent protection
    Both aircooled
    Both shaftdrive
    Similar fuel consumption, Guzzi slightly better
    Guzzi more powerfull
    Guzzi lighter
    Guzzi "funny" brakes
    BMW info and parts source seems better


    Chime in please!!!

    Mike
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  2. hunter_greyghost

    hunter_greyghost XS650 Allroads Traveller

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    My money's on the Guzzi! Can't beat simple engineering, love to pick up a basket case sometime.
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  3. tennessee thumper

    tennessee thumper now in Mt. View, AR

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    RS would get you there faster (at least a 77 40mm would)

    SP may be a cheaper buy-in thus more money for beer or upgrades.

    RS stock bars set up can irritate some wrists,shoulders and backs.

    SP parts are not too hard to find.

    RS monoshocks (rideability and handling) are prefered by some over the earlier versions.

    If you are thinking about buying either...get the one that has the most maintenence history, smartest upgrades and best price.

    Can't go wrong with either.
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  4. 110Mike

    110Mike Lug in my Kop

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    This morning, after posting, I had the opportunity to ride a 1000SP.

    It may have been a fault with the bike, but the 1000SP really feels agricultural, and rough after my R100RS. Riding position also was uncomfortable after my supposedly (stock standard) uncomfortable RS
    The SP was in quite good condition, very original, so I do not think I rode a rat.

    I also had the oppotunity to ride a 850 le Mans mkIII.... now that was a bike that made me understand some people`s love for the flying eagle.
    The riding position was very uncomfortable, but that was probably only the bars. Would not take a 850 LM longdistance touring, but oh boy, give me a mountain pass and let me twist her ear!

    More 1000SP input will be appreciated.

    Regards

    Mike
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  5. bikerfish

    bikerfish flyfishandride

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     but the 1000SP really feels agricultural
    ha ha! well it IS a guzzi!
    I can say that, used to have one, still love them though. it may have needed carbs synched and tuned up.
    both are good bikes, it's all what you like.
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  6. Lornce

    Lornce Lost In Place

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    Pretty sure the Guzzi isn't lighter or more powerful than the airhead. Certain the airhead has better ride quality while the Guzzi has the stiffer stock chassis ie, more stable handling. As already mentioned, the monoshock airhead will take handling to the next level.

    Both are pretty neat bikes.

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  7. Rob Farmer

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    Much as I love my RS it's a pain in the arse for normal riding, get it on the motorway and it comes into it's own though. 90 - 100 Mph no problem.

    The Guzzi had a strange riding position. The footpegs are a long way forward and the bars low. The steering was very heavy as well. It got breathless at higher speeds.

    There's nothing quite like a Guzzi for covering the miles though. Looking back I preferred the Guzzi.
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  8. Rathlindri

    Rathlindri Guinness fan

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    I have owned a '78 SP (fairing lowers removed) for 4 years now. My best mate has an '81 RS. One ride on a Guzzi will not impress you. Take it on a 100 mile + run and it'll get under your skin. It outhandles the RS on bumpy sweepers and has more "character". The RS is bland in my opinion but that's my personal taste. Back to back the Guzzi uses 10% less fuel on the same ride.
    Reliability-wise I'd say they're equal and both easy to work on too. parts readily available and cheap..... good luck with your hunt, whichever you decide on....

    By the way, if the carbs aren't properly balanced on either 'bike they will feel "rough"....perhaps the one you tried needed "fettling"?

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  9. hunter_greyghost

    hunter_greyghost XS650 Allroads Traveller

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    That's a nice looking bike! Wish I still had my 850T ['74 model]
    Cheers
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  10. camgregus

    camgregus riding gently now

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    it seems lately that the guzzis have gone up and the beemers are steady. You might get a better deal on an RS.
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  11. Rathlindri

    Rathlindri Guinness fan

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    yeah, no doubt the old supply/demand thing. There are a lot more BM RS's out there than Guzzi SP's
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  12. lemieuxmc

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    "As already mentioned, the monoshock airhead will take handling to the next level."

    Once you are a Guzzi rider, there is no other level!
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  13. Lornce

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    Now that's quaint.


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  14. Reryder

    Reryder Onward through the fog...

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    I find my 81 RS not overly comfortable on a long ride. I am 6'1" and and half and my shins bark on the fairing lowers all the time. And the flat handlebars are too low and too far forward for long distance. R90S style euro bars are much more comfy but not compatible with the RS fairing.

    And my missus really dislikes the ride on the back, the RS seat curves upwards at the rear and she says its not comfortable at all, standard /7 bench seat is better.

    I have only ridden a Guzzi - an old 850 cruiser style -- around the block, but love that v-twin engine feel and sound. Seemed real comfortable too with buckhorn bars, windshield and footboards. But like I said, it was only around the block.

    But an RS fitted with R90S fairing and handlebars and bench seat might be a way to go too. That is what I am planning to do with mine.

    One huge plus for the RS fairing is it gives the best wet weather protection of any bike I ever rode and does cut the wind nicely on long rides.
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  15. boxerboy81

    boxerboy81 Stay Horizontal

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    Trimming reduces the buffeting, the handlebars allow a taller ride position. /7 seat probably better, but might depend on the arse to seat relationship of individuals.
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  16. kaput13

    kaput13 shadetree motophilosopher

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    The problem ofcourse is that you lose something when you compare the two on a strictly objective basis. Magazine comparison tests of the time would generally pick the BMW when it came to function but it was close. I've owned both an RS and SP and in terms of overall competence and function the RS was better and easier to live with. You might have noted though, that of the respondents who have owned both, they appear to have more affection for the Guzzi. Memory is a fickle thing. The problem for me was that the more I rode the SP the more I lusted for a Lemans. Looking back over time the Lemans was the most captivating, involving motorcycle I have ever owned - not at all bad to tour on either once you replaced that plank of a seat. Like Bikerfish said "its all what you like." Too right.
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  17. manxkipper

    manxkipper Fishpistel

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    I found the handling on the Guzzi better than the BMW, seemed much stiffer. The BM electrics are better. Guzzi electrics can be problematic. Having said that I have just bought an 1980 LM2 with 18k km. if its character you want buy a Guzzi.
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  18. Rob Farmer

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    That'll be a CS then. I've got the original sorts seat on my RS and a bench seat for camping or taking the Mrs on the back, unfortunatly She doesn't like the RS at all.
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  19. farmer fred

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    The first (77-80) SP1000 have the same pegs as the Le Mans I and II, iron liners and a thinner seat. After 81 or so, the SP got the same pegs as the T3 and the mongo couch seat off the Convert and G5. The later bike (SP1000NT) has nikasil cylinders, lower mufflers, better frame paint, slightly different fairing bits, etc.

    My first Guzzi was a 1983 SP, and I rode it everywhere. It was a fine traveler, comfy and handled well. With the 30mm carbs it is a little limited on top-end, but got great mileage and with the stock tank could easily go 200+ miles on a tank.

    The frame geometry is exactly the same as the V7 Sport and LeMans I. Except the switchgear and distributor, the electrics are Bosch. The distributor gives no trouble, but some people have trouble with the switches (I never did).
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  20. Reryder

    Reryder Onward through the fog...

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    :eek1:eek1 Don't tell 'er indoors that.
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