BMW R1200C, Why wasn't it replaced?

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Josephvman, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    They were bad incarnate. They would sneak out after dark, party all night and come home with only half their cloths. Total pain to deal with their antics.

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  2. Flightar

    Flightar Been here awhile

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    They were ugly...they didn't look like a prototypical cruiser and thats a mistake for any manufacturer to make. BMW was trying to create a new type of cruiser and it was half baked.

    Some people liked them and thats OK to each his own...but ugly usually does not sell, for very log anyway.
  3. DAKEZ

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    ^^^ The reason that Victory has failed to increase it's market share by any significant number. :1drink
  4. David R

    David R I been called a Nut Job..

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    I would not buy a chrome head because the fat front tire. I like a little more performance. I have a /6 which I love. close to a cruiser as I will get. I rode an RT for 3 years and love it. This time I wanted closer to my airhead. Less weight, lower CG.

    SO I b ought this. Its not a C but it IS exactly what I wanted. Less than 500 lbs. wet, over 100 hp.

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    I tell the v twin guys its a 180* Vee, They look puzzled for a minute.

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  5. Mr.Goose

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    AND for what it's worth, BMW does offer chrome valve covers for this cam head motor....:evil Haven't seen a set on a newer bike yet but curious to see it.

    You know it's the middle of winter when a 5 year old thread is getting dug up.

    My take on why BMW didn't keep making the R1200C? ***while the US market is made up of roughly 50% cruisers, it's only about 12-15% percent of BMW Motorrad's market share which makes the US a tertiary market to them. Shocked? Don't be. Why would you make a model just for us when the rest of the global market wants something else. You have to make what sells. It's the same reason they won't bother importing the K1300R, they didn't sell enough of the K1200R from 06-08 to make it worth importing. Also keep in mind the US market holds a much thinner margin for BMW Motorrad...they trim the prices for us so they can better compete against the more strongly rooted Japanese brands that have more product and have been here longer. My first ride as a 14 year old kid was on a Honda just for example.

    That being said, I see R1200C's fetching 2 and 3 times more than NADA values already. With the popularity of the Diavel for Ducati now, I wouldn't be surprised to see BMW bring something out along those lines now, the muscle cruiser may become a stronger play now than what it used to be. I hope so.


  6. CajunRider

    CajunRider Been here awhile

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl

    That's a good one.

    I've had guys tell me that my old BMW was just a Guzzi with saggy jugs...

    I rather the 180* Vee idea. :deal
  7. GSMotorrad

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    I just don't see how it can't. People will say it was ahead of its time, when gasoline prices raise enough to create a new market for smaller displacement cruisers. 68 hp is a heck of a lot of fun to me. If i wanted to go fast, I wouldn't ride a "cruiser".

    To me, cruising is a relaxing, mellow experience, just enjoying the ride. I've never been an adrenaline junkie, and the R12c is all the bike I need. It feels especially fast after riding the KLR for a while, another bike that is considered to be slow. I like slow bikes.

    I'm just waiting for BMW's next cruiser. If they never do another one, the R1200c will be worth even more as a collector's piece. They already stole the "c" designation for that City Scooter thing, that costs more than the 650GS (i think).

    That might be a way of telling us there'll never be another "c" like the chromeheads.

    Whatever happened to that concept bike that sort of looked like a stripped down chromehead? It was like their Confederate Hellcat, Lo Rider 2008 concept bike. It is supposed to actually be released this year, according to

    February 12, 2013, New York Times BMW Concept Motorcycle Is Headed for Production


    "Four years ago at the International Motorcycle Show in Milan, BMW presented drool-worthy drawings of a brawny looking cafe-style concept bike. But that bike faded from memory as BMW’s 193-horsepower S 1000rr superbike was introduced in 2009, then the K1600 6-cylinder touring bikes in 2011.

    Now, for the 90th anniversary of BMW the concept bike is on track for completion, as a tribute to the original BMW, the R32.

    The new bike, which is still being called the concept bike, is likely to be the last new model that will have an airhead-type engine. BMW will start converting its boxer powered bikes to a water-cooled version this year, starting with the R1200GS.

    The R32 was born following World War I, when BMW was forced to diversify from making aircraft engines. Many BMWs today still have the shaft drive of the original 1923 R32 and horizontal cylinder heads that stick out for improved cooling. That feature of the design led devotees to dub the design the airhead.

    The current boxer engines are called the oilhead, for the addition of an oil cooling system seen on the 1994 R1100 RS. But this year the boxer starts going fully water cooled.

    Details are still scarce, but BMW expects the concept bike to arrive in the United States by the fall of 2013. No word yet on final design or price."


    Is that the new iteration of the R1200c?

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  8. PhilB

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    I thought this was pretty slick. I saw a couple versions in person at one of the bike shows at the time, and liked it. I told the guy that if they built that, but with a Telelever front, I'd be very tempted.

    BMW seems to have an amazing talent for almost making bikes that I want.

    The C, though, was a bike that I did not want. Not even for a minute. Yuck.

    PhilB
  9. Eric R. Shelton

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    I think this is a matter of perspective more than anything. BMW practically owned the 1930s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_land-speed_record

    I can't get this YouTube video to imbed, but it's worth watching and on topic. http://youtu.be/14dCNL1pzCA

    You point out the R69S and R90S, but taken in the context of history (particularly of a company that was in ruins at the end of WWII) those bikes can really be seen as a return to form for BMW Motorrad. The K1200R was the world's most powerful naked bike at it's debut (and still accelerates quicker with a higher top speed than the now more powerful B-King). Aside from the S1000RR, the K1600GT/GTL are often referred to as tourers for sport bike riders.

    I don't think BMW has ever "defined" itself as a touring bike or an adventure bike company. The R1200C and the C1 scooter show their willingness to try something different and desire to not be a cookie cutter outfit. But even with decades missed here and there, they definitely have a pedigree in high performance bikes, as well.
  10. kraven

    kraven Hegelian Scum

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    eh... I think it will be known as the Peter McNeeley of motorcycles: brave for stepping in the ring and taking up the challenge, but we all knew it didn't have what it took to go toe to toe. And very few of us were surprised with how quickly the towel was thrown in the ring.
  11. Eric R. Shelton

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    Personally, I've always thought the R1200C was gorgeous and still do. No sarcasm, no joke. I think it's beautiful in the same way a CB750 is- it has a purity in its design of a classic motorcycle shape, but with an interpretation that's fitting to the era and country it came from. It has the essential lines, but unlike the Japanese clones it has its own distinctive engine. That's one reason I'll always hold this, Triumph triples and Bonnevilles, Moto Guzzi, Ducati, and older UJMs in higher regard than Shadows, Intruders, Boulevards, etc. ad nauseam.

    I love the gas cap being off the centerline of the bike and tank. I love the asymmetrical instrument cluster that's made of metal rather than cheap plastic. I love the creamy off-white paint job and the pin striping matched with a brown leather saddle. I love the pillion seat that flipped up to be a backrest. I love rounded square-ish-ness of the first oilhead jugs. I love the sculpted and polished look of the telelever. (I wish the telelever looked this good on my '11 R1200R Classic.)

    I test rode an R1200C and I was just too young to be willing to go slow, unfortunately. I was just coming off coming off a Multistrada 620 thanks to youthful exuberance and the de-tuning BMW did to compensate for lack of paralever just left the bike feeling neutered in my quest for adrenaline. I'd rank this bike right up there with a 916 and 1098 on my list of "Prettiest Bikes of the Past 20 Years". It's just a shame it was a gutless wonder.
  12. Paulie

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    A coupla yrs ago I showed up a bit late to a Beemer group demo ride & a 1200C was my only choice. Geez whatta fugly POS that thing was. It performed lousy too.

    But to top it, back at the stealer's they had a 1200CLC in a nasty shit brown color. They prolly hadta give that awful thing away. :puke1
  13. Eric R. Shelton

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    Beauty is in the eye, I guess, and you clearly have something in yours. :lol3 I can't argue the R1200C is a good performer, it's just plain not. But it is gorgeous, even if in an avant garde way, and I can't believe so many people dismiss it so quickly. Wrong, wrong, wrong...

    Beside, clearly the Kawasaki Vulcan with that fairing is the fugliest bike on the road! :puke1:rofl
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    Arriving to this extremely late, but I have owned a 2000 R1200C Euro for a few years now and love it.

    One of my prior bikes, a Triumph Trophy 1200, had far better performance (merely think about changing lanes and you had), but the continual sport-bike forward lean and extreme top-heaviness was killing me. Long rides were exhausting.

    This bike is indeed a de-tuned R1200 engine, but it's also an extremely comfortable, straight-up ride.

    I just wanted a comfortable, reliable ride for New Mexico back-country.
    With some back issues, being able to flat-foot at traffic signals and parking is a blessing.

    The local BMW dealer is constantly working on bikes like this, especially since all the motorcycle cops ride Beemers. So they can handle anything.

    The only complaint I have is that because the pegs are slightly forward (a nod to "cruisers") you can't stand up on this bike.
    Otherwise it's a dream ride with incredible balance and comfort.
    Have never had a better-balanced bike.
  15. cruisincruzan

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    The only bike I regret getting rid of my '03 Montana version C.
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    There is a Phoenix for sale on ATL CL presently.
  17. GSMotorrad

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    More like a detuned (and bored) R1150 motor. I stand up on mine all the time. I have to "bow" my legs to straddle the tank, but for quick standing, it works. I can't really stand for long periods, like I used to on an 1150GSA, but it's doable for short 30 second bursts. I always worry my footpegs will break off, since it's not really meant for riding that way and they aren't as hardcore as a proper adventure bike's. Hasn't happened yet though.
  18. nbsdave

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    have to agree wholeheartedly .
    Of all the bikes I've had my 2003 R1200C Montana was one of two bikes I wish I'd never sold.
    Not the fastest, but neither am I. Loved the looks and the handling.
  19. Zapkat

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    I rode an '04 CLC for a few years. It was a great bike for touring. I rode it from southern Ontario out through the U.S. Midwest, Hwy 50 through Utah, up through Independence Pass into Aspen, the PCH in California up to Oregon etc. It was a fabulous bike on the highway; in the parking lot, not so much. But it WAS a beautiful machine.
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