Boot Scootin' Boogie!

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by ROAD DAMAGE, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. ROAD DAMAGE

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    :lol3 Yeah, as soon as I get this damn cast off ............ I'm gonna go out on the bike and do some" homework". :lol3

    The section of road I was riding is sorta' rough. Like you said, I probably hit some kind of "feature" on the road surface that I didn't see. I really try to NOT be lazy with my feet though. I obviously do need to make some sort of adjustment in what I'm doing. :D

    Thanks for the input Badjuju. Rob
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    I need a "track day" or two. :D

    I do something similar advNZer, but obviously, I'm not moving them back quite far enough. :evil

    I definitely DON'T turn my feet outward. That's just asking for trouble. When I ride at my very most aggressive on a loaded bike, I've scraped the outside of my panniers. I've only done this a handful of times in 95K miles on my current bike ........... but it'll scare the piss out of you when you are ALREADY scraping pegs and scootin boots, and then something else hits that not "breakaway"! :eek1 I was probably close to doing this when I hurt my foot. I had it laid over pretty far for me.
    Thanks sphyrnidus!
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    Rested and sober is no way to go through life ............ but it's the right way to ride a bike. :lol3
    No beers that morning .... REALLY! That afternoon ............ different story. :D

    Nice to get to visit with you in Echo Park Scott. Always good to put a face with a name! Hopefully see you around.
    Rob
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    Sounds like you dodged a bullet!

    Thanks for the "get well" wishes Steve! Mrs. Road Damage is currently doing a paint job on my cast! I'll put a picture up when she's finished!
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    Ever done track days or taken a track riding course?

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    Most touring riders leave their butts in the seat and lean the bike. It's slow at best and unsafe at worst. Some even brag about dragging hard parts, not realizing if you are dragging hard parts it is an indication of poor technique.

    Most any track day organization will conduct seminars or training on body position to help understand why and how to get your body into position. There are many YouTube videos, here's one.

    Tall bikes like Adv bikes won't normally let you "drag a knee" so don't worry about it. They also have relatively high bars so your body position will differ from sport bike riders. But it is the lateral positioning that's important, along with learning good practices for braking and throttle input.

    Some examples. In a bowl at NHMS probably going 45-55 mph. See how close my foot and pegs are to dragging? They aren't - even on a V-Strom which like most touring bikes has the pegs set lower and forward compared to sport bikes. They're not really closer than the sport bike behind me.
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    Prior to entering that turn. I've slid my butt over so that one butt cheek is on the saddle but the other half is to the inside of the upcoming turn. My outer knee is locked onto the tank so I can provide very fine inputs. I'm looking ahead as far as I can.
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    Here's the same point in the course, at nearly the same speed (probably 75-80mph) on an SV650S. See how the pegs are much higher and farther back, the shape of the fuel tank helps lock your knee in, and the bars are much lower facilitating the inward lean? Much better for courses, much worse for riding for hours. The basic technique is the same.
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    Here's another example on a Tiger 1050 (not an adventure bike - it's a sporty bike with an upright riding position suitable for us old guys) with a GSX-R rider behind me. Another tall bike with low, forward pegs. Note that other than my upper body being more upright due to street bars and my leg at less of an angle due to the taller seat, both of us are well off the seat to the inside of the turn and nothing is remotely close to scraping.
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    Have I ever dragged the pegs? Yes - mostly on my first couple of track days.
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    Here's the body position I was rockin my first time.
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    My second time, going much faster with less bike lean. But like most beginners I started moving my butt while keeping my upper body leaned back away from the turn. Compare that to the ones above.
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    To put it in perspective, the racers are 10-20 seconds a lap faster than me on the same bike. There is always more to learn.
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    "FELT AND HEARD IT BREAK" ............ Ughhhhh! What a bad visual just before lunch! :lol3

    Some of us just have to learn our lessons the hard way, right lineareagle? :D

    Rob
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    Wingfixer, I don't doubt for a minute that we wouldn't be having this conversation if I had been wearing a little more "ride specific gear" that morning. Hopefully, I'll get it all figured out before it wears me all out! :lol3

    Thanks, Rob
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    :thumbup

    I'm living and learning ........... slowly. :lol3

    I'd love to be able to do some track days and get some instruction. It's on my bucket list! Thanks, Rob
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    Hi garandman,

    Thanks for all the pictures, instruction and video!

    I've been wanting to do some track time/track days for a long time. It's on my list. I know that it would make me a much better and safer rider. I'll just have to save my money and make it a priority some spring or fall.

    I've tried to play around with changing my body positions, but find it difficult to do this in the "real world" with any consistency. Again, track day needed! Thanks for the input! I appreciate it.

    On another note .............. my wife is painting my cast. So far I've got flames, an ADV oval, a Road Damage sign, and Safety Third around the top. When she finishes it, I'll get a picture and post it up! Trying to have some fun with the injury! :D

    Rob
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