Border Road - El Paso to San Diego

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  1. RuggedExposure

    RuggedExposure Now with more rugged

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    Due to cold inclement weather, Bulittman281 and I have nixed our trip north, following the Rio Grande. We also considered riding the Continental Divide Trail as many others do, but it is also too early in the year for that.

    So in just over a week, we are going to attempt to ride the border road all the way from El Paso, TX to San Diego, CA.
    In various spots through AZ there really is no 'border road' because of the rough terrain, so we will follow the border as close as possible on the nearest trails, ranch roads or county roads through that area.

    Assuming we have good weather (it is the windy season right now), our biggest concern will be fuel. We will each be carrying an extra gallon of gas with us, hopefully that will be enough.

    We're expecting it to take at least 4 days to get to San Diego then 2 days back. (Also assuming we make it that far).

    There will be minimum planning for this adventure.
    Because that's what makes it fun.
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  2. wbbnm

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    I understand you need a permit to ride one of the roads in western Arizona. Haven't done, but some friends did it last winter and really enjoyed it.

    Don't know off the top of my head exactly where this segment was.
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  3. Lone Rider

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    Maybe the military reservation - muchas hectares.
    I've never been on it myself.
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  4. RuggedExposure

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    I think it may be the Tohono O'odham Reservation that charges for entry.

    The border and 60 feet north are Federal property and no one can deny you entry, not even the government.
    Unfortunately in many areas of AZ there is no 'border road' due to terrain.
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  5. eakins

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    Cool concept!!!
    Very interested to hear to the most south accessible route is. :ear

    The issue is access through Barry Goldwater Air Force Range & access to El Camino del Diablo (The Devil's Road).
    You'll need to contact them on that issue.

    Like others have said, in places there is no road right along the border in places.
    That is a bombing range and that might not be the best place to ride. :evil
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_M._Goldwater_Air_Force_Range
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  6. eakins

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    Oh yeah?

    So even if that is a military bombing range extends down to the border, that 60' is still open to all?

    Where can we read that 60' is open no matter what and neither the gov. nor private land owners can deny you access? I sure have been denied to other federal land in many places.
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    I'll check into exactly where it says the 60' easement is open to all.

    But trust me, I work in that 60' easement everyday, and if anyone were to stop you from travelling through it, it would be me. hint hint.
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    I spoke with BP agent near Columbus about the road conditions to Antelope Wells and he was pretty sure it could be done. According to him, the first "corner" of the boot heel was a little difficult but he was thinking a dirt bike could do it. From Antelope Wells to Douglas, I'm not sure about and you may have to go north to Geronimo Trail rd.

    Gas will be your biggest concern. There is nothing from Columbus to Douglas unless you detour north to Animas.

    From the rumor mill, I've heard stories of the BP throwing nails in sections to discourage illegal traffic.

    I'd sure like to see a ride report on this though, because I've been itching to do some portions. good luck. :clap
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  9. RuggedExposure

    RuggedExposure Now with more rugged

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    Already done that stretch :1drinkhttp://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=690153
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    el tortuga Been here awhile

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    Cool!

    I see the Pink Store!



    lol:freaky
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  11. HeyWhatever

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    Unless you personally know people on any given Native American reservation land I wouldn't pass off a paved road on a rez unless you check in with tribal government... Just what I know from four years of working for Native American governments.

    I had to escort some feds onto some of our newly acquired tribal land... one of the more well armed traditionalists was scaring the bejeesus out of people up there.

    What may apply on federal land will not get an automatic pass on Indian land, since if they are federally recognized they usually will have their own set of laws and the jurisdiction to enforce them.
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  12. Jamie Z

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    Ha!

    I was looking for the thread so I could post a link and tell you someone had done something similar a while back.

    Didn't realize it was you. :lol3

    Looking forward to the ride.

    Jamie
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    It is the Camino Diablo road that Eakins mentioned that you need a permit for.

    If you are willing to deviate from right on the border, there is a fun road heading northeast from Columbus that loops back to El Paso. It is probably 20 miles north of the border.

    Some of it is very challenging due to sand, lava rocks, cactus, and mesquite bushes.

    As long as you are doing the border, seems like you might want to continue down to Big Bend if you have the time. There is a great ~60 mile dirt road called something like Chrispa rd that you pick up south of Van Horn and take to Candelaria.
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  14. RuggedExposure

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    We're actually going to start from El Paso and head west to SD.
    That road you speak of is the POL Ranch road, there are different routes you can take, but it will lead you by POL Ranch (Pancho Villa grazed his cattle there), Indian Basin, and Kilbourne Hole (An awesome caldera-like structure).

    I'll check out more info on the Camino Diablo. Thanks.
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    I've done a lot of riding in southeast AZ in the past year and there are some nice roads near the border here, but I think in many places there are better dirt routes that are not far from the border. As somebody already mentioned, fuel will be an issue in some areas depending on your route. I haven't ridden it yet, but I think your best bet in the western section might just be Camino del Diablo.

    Do either of you guys know if there's a passable route along the border from El Paso that links up with the Chisa route?
    I'm planning to head over to Big Bend from Southeast AZ at some point and would like to go through there if possible, but I haven't been able to get any good info on that section.
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    Along the el camino del diablo route you need a free permit, however the route closes on March 15 thru July 15. Also you'll need to carry flags for your ride.
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  17. FakeName

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    In San Diego County, you'll find selective and varying enforcement on the border road. Depends on who finds you and the type of day they're having.

    Sounds like you might have some additional influence with their decision making- I always take the path of least resistance when confronted by anyone armed, right or wrong.

    Often, I'll suggest that I'll be out of their enforcement area by going forward rather than back.

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    Most of the section heading into Douglas looks like:
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    although there are some steep sections. Shouldn't be too hard on your bikes, but a couple of sections were a little more than I wanted to do solo...

    I've never had a problem with any BPAs from the AZ/NM line over towards Nogales. The ride over Montezuma Pass is outstanding.
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  19. BlackHawkChief

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    my brother an fellow adv (bucketboy) passed through there a few months ago

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    A U.S. Marine Corps permit is required for entry to the Barry M. Goldwater Range and is available from the Marine Corps Air Station, Yuma, Range Management Department (520-341-3402). El Camino del Diablo continues through the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge. A permit from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, Ajo, Arizona) is required to travel on the refuge (520-387-6483).
    here you go
    http://http://www.blm.gov/az/st/en/prog/recreation/autotour/camino_diablo.html

    http://http://3upadventures.com/el-camino-del-diablo/

    hope this helps
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  20. RuggedExposure

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    Nice pic. We'll have to see how far we make it through AZ.


    Thanks for the pic, glad to see there are cattleguards along the barrier and not gates everywhere.

    Thanks for the info. Apparently there is some mating season going on for the North American 2-toed speckled gay pronghorn and it gets nervous if you drive through its area and won't mate to save its species even though they are over-populated. (Thanks Sierra Club).

    We may have to modify our route...
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