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Discussion in 'Hacks' started by Dakar Couple, Apr 27, 2012.
Glad you're ahead of me there. Thought it worth mentioning though.
I appreciate the input and need to thank the INMATES of ADV, becuase of the info they have put out there on side car building and installation not much of my build was a suprise, there is the occasional one but mostly attributed to my not paying attention ( like the klr bearing being two different sizes )
So, fridays beginning post covered the first 5 months now you get stuff as hit happends.
Sub Frame comming together its 1" .120 wall, great stuff to work with.
I had to rigg the side car frame quickly at this point, make sure I wasnt going to gusset and reinforce in the way of one of the mounts.
FIrst time for a SANS kick stand kinda pic. A proud day !!!!!!
I had some time last night and was actually able to assemble some stuff, I had this horrific dream the night before that the roll cage interfered with the rear upper strut mount, Well the bike gods granted me a ONE FREE, it close but not in the way.
The largest feat of design with this thing is the simple fact that you cannot weld around the body, you need to be able to split.
Did you get the attachment point for the rear top mount sorted out?
It's looking great!
Should be able to drive through brick walls unscathed.................
Correction - Triple WOW !
Well, I've just had an interesting conversation with a friend of mine. He feels the sidecar ( gun metal gray ) roll cage ( flat black ) would look far more interesting if the bike matched it, rather than making the it match the bike. The intention was to always paint the car to suit one of the two Dakars, the only question was wich one.
Mine the 2006 ( Above ) ~ Its got some "love" on one side from a go down last year or hers ( the 2003 ) that is in immaculate condition.
I've always been a fan of the flat gun metal grey with clear coat on it look, it would be an interesting look, very Mad Max'ish.
Nice build going on. Gotta luv a wife that likes to ride her own...much less help drag a tubing bender downstairs to the basement!
That frame work is so beautiful it should be protected by yet another Velorex body on the outside
Well did some work last night, its starting to come together, still have to sort out the upper rear strut, finish the caliper holder, the subframe, and the wiring for the lights, plus build a base for LG's 5 point harness.
Oh, I've also got to shorten the axle, Ya its a socket and crown nut holding the wheel on right now
Mind if you go into some detail about your tube bending set up? Those are some pretty nice looking bends, not kinks. What kind of bender and what type of tubes. Thanks.
Stunning workmanship - keep the dimensions - people will pay you money for the plans, or to replicate your design.
Adding some extra weight to the Velorex is no bad thing - I just used a chunk of 8mm steel plate and had a race-car roll-over hoop made up with the 6-point harness attached to that:
But ultimately, you'll want one of these, so you still have a "motorcycle", as opposed to a three-wheeled car:
WWW.PRO-TOOLS.COM for the bender, the tube is mostly P/O 1 1/2 .120 wall, with some lighter stuff mixed in in less crutial areas, and a piece of .180 for the rear main hoop.
The sub frame is 1 inch .120 wall. with a piece of 3/4 bar at the sweep 90 and a piece of 3/4 that is about 8 inches long at the rear ( floating overhand just looked like it would bend )
The Velorex frame was plated with .60 1 1/2 on the outside in critical, places, the suspension was rewelded and squared.
Other than that is pretty simple. Lots of measuring and re measuring and some input from friends as they would stop by for a look see.
I need to mention one thing when it comes to building the roll cage, spend some time on the threads and blogs from the 4x4 and rock crawler guys, they now how to build stuff. I spent hours chatting with a guy that builds rock crawlers in Texas about how things bend when they are hit. Some real insight from a guy that has been flipping big 4x4 over on mountains is a nice addition to your train of thought.
I'd use words like:
Cool! Wow! And Wild!
Then I'd get in the way and disappear inside to get drunk with his wife.
Well for the first time since it was a bunch of bits LG has seen what all the noise is about.
So it's a conditional pass, needs some modifications to the socket hubcap, and I'm pretty sure that he is going to break the windshield, apperently it perfect for peek abo and a grab handle.
But he liked it, he kept pointing to the ignition and saying ON ON, ON bike, mine helmo and tapping on his head.
AAAAH Yes! Uncle Ron, A picture perfect rendition of how not to go down a hill with a KLR, a guy who the bike gods have given a pocket full of ONE FREE's too, and didn't complain when he over spent on them.
He does drink all night with my wife while I work on side car stuff then he usually says something before he goes home like " WOW, we made good progress today"
Thank you for the compliments, they are always appreciated.
As for the flexit it, not really a fan of a fully articulated side car, but Ive been really looking at the Kalich style of side cars, that guy does beautiful work. The problem I have at present is the agreement that my wife and I have. The deal is that we dont have a bunch of bike that can break a ground speed record sitting in the garage when he gets his license, so we are gonna D-S it for a couple or 16 years. It wasnt a hard transition for me because Ive got lots of history with dirt bikes, and as soon as I came to the realization that a dual sport must be heavily dirt biased in order to be enjoyed I was happy.
Anyone can bump a BMW / KAWI / KTM / TRIUMP up the blacktop fully loaded looking for adventure, pick a gravel and head down it till it turns to double track then turn around. But a special kind of person gets excited when it goes from double track to single track to goat path, to bog. Last year I was out with some friends back in the bush playing around and this guy with his son motors up on some sweet little 2 stroke bikes, he looks at us and says you guys got balls bringing big bikes like that back here ( they were just some 650s). Ya its hard work, hard on your body and equipment but worth the drive and the compliments of some guy on a 150lbs two stroke. Ive often been referred to as special, maybe it wasnt a compliment but who cares.
Anyways I digress. A leaner by nature cannot go on a dirt biased bike, we need clearance, and to be as skinny as possible. Now the side car Ive built will probably end up on my wifes bike a Dakar that wont see allot of bogs while she owns it, the METZ tourences are a good indication of that. So playing around with LG on some Double Track and gravel roads is something Im ok with. Id rather have him out with me learning a healthy respect for the environment, bikes, and people. Appreciation for a friend who will work hard for an hour pulling a 400 lbs Beemer out of a bog is one thing, but if that same friend helps you do the same thing with the same bog 10 min later because you thought you could make it with more speed, hes a friend, thats the kind of people you should surround yourself with, and thats what the side car is about.
Now once he is of driving age and has hopefully paid attention to the life lessons I could see myself taking a kick at a GSXR1000 with a leaner.
All good points you raise - funny how parenthood shifts your perspective a bit, isn't it? Our daughter's been riding dirt bikes since she was 4.
I love the macho look of the exo-skeleton you've given the Verlorex - previously it was a dainty, classic sidecar - but not yours!
Can you still use the roof? I found ours to be a spectaucularly good design - these guys have obviously been doing this stuff for a while and pretty-much perfected the folding water-proof sidecar roof.
However your desire to continue riding off road with LG and preserve your licence begs the question: why not just buy a 2wd Ural and be done with it?
You've turned a one-track vehicle into a pretty-much permanent two-track vehicle, so why not have the extra wheel working for you, instead of against you?
(One of the major features of the Flexit is that you can take the sidecar off in about 3 minutes and have a single-track vehicle again!)
Or there's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McjozFNSp_M - just turn your speakers off unless you're deaf (or want to be so) and actually like French heavy metal.
The Toro is/was made in France and can apparently go "places":