Building a hack for Mr. ktmtraveler

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by ktmtraveler, Jan 27, 2018.

  1. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    Hope you all like to follow our adventure of having another sidecar built by LBS sidecars in the Netherlands.

    Mr. ktmtraveler aka Jan always teased me about my “three wheeled girls’ bike”. And he did not really like to ride my hack.

    He surprised me when he started talking some time ago about having his own sidecar built. In the future. Like 2019.

    But I guess he’s finally a big boy now. And you and I know: big boys ride sidecars.

    In december 2017 we went to a motorcycle shop “just to talk” and to see what was in the showroom. And there was “totally coincidentally” the motorbike Jan wanted for his hack-project: a nearly new (2015) KTM 1290 Superadventure T. So he went to the owner to talk. He’s a man of few words. He said: “I want to buy this bike.” That was enough to start the project.

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    A few days later we went to LBS Sidecars to talk to Ad Donkers, who built my sidecar in 2012. He made an absolute beautiful adventurous, tough sidecar for my KTM 950 SuperEnduro. Made for traveling. Though I can take a passenger with me, it’s not very comfortable or safe.

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    Jan wants a sidecar that has the best of both worlds. Comfortable enough for a passenger, tough looks, enough luggage room. The 1290 SA provides enough power to drag along everything at an acceptable speed.

    We made an appointment with Ad Donkers of LBS sidecars at a Saturday morning at 10. We made sure to have no other appointments that day. Cause we know how it works.

    It’s always a very heartwarming welcome at LBS. Firm handshake for Jan, three kisses on the cheek --right-left-right: the Dutch way-- for me, and lots of coffee and pastries. More coffee. Lunch. And always lots of people around: neighbors, friends, family, people with technical questions, people wanting advice while buying a car, former customers, people dropping by for a cup of coffee and a chat, all kinds of motorcycle riders.

    Four hours later we started talking about Jan's hack. And then someone dropped in. Half an hour later we really started talking. And then Luther, Ad’s long term apprentice and now employee, came in with a question. And 10 minutes later we seriously started talking. Half an hour later we knew what we wanted.

    A Stern Rox sidecar, with a comfortable seat, a complete spare wheel, that fits on the rear and the side, no dual drive, car tires on the rear and the side, knobby tire in front. Details and color to be determined. Details will get clear along the way. We have lots of confidence in Ad for solving technical and stylistic issues and he knows we like his solutions. He's got carte blanche.

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  2. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    Yesterday we picked up the bike at the motorbike shop.

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    Bike has a new seat, the white shock absorber spring has black powder coating now, and it has new cases. We also ordered handlebar raisers, but they aren’t mounted yet. The big box contains the old seat.

    My hack comes in handy to bring the box home.

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    Handing over the keys and the congrats, wishing us good luck and lots of good times with the 1290 SA.

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    OK, hop on and ride!

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    Half an hour later we’re home again. Bit of a pity the motorbike shop isn’t further away.


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    The garage is very full with all bikes. Good thing we bring the 1290 SA to LBS sidecars the next day.

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  3. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    First thing Jan said after an hour’s ride to LBS: Actually it’s a pity to put a sidecar on a perfect bike like this. Hmmm, heard that one before ...

    But this is a quirky t-shirt in the LBS office:

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    He enjoyed the ride very much. I rode behind him with the hack and saw him spreading both his arms (“I’m not crazy, I’m an airplane!”) while using cruise control. The bike has lots of power and rides smooth and straight like the Orange Blossom Special!

    We went through some final details with Ad, like a second battery and 12V outlet, maybe something to put his feet on during long rides and maybe a kind of step to hop into the sidecar, but we probably don’t need that. And we talked about the planning. Aiming on early May, but that might be a little too soon. Well, something like that.

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    Ad tells about the history of the technical development of sidecars in The Netherlands. He knows a lot about the different techniques that were used the last 100 years. There were only three guys that were really involved in developing. He did not mention himself. So, there are four.

    I always take a quick look around. Lots to see: nice sidecars and halfway projects on display:

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    Luther is always around and wrenching.

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    Smile for me, Luther!

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    Then Ad pushes the 1290 SA into the workshop.

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    One last glance

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    On the way out I take a pic of Ad’s van, with a pic of my hack on it. I’m always sort of proud of that!

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    We rode back home “two up” with my hack, which was a little humiliating for Jan, but a MoG for me! He feels silly, sitting on the hack while I ride. Glad he’s wearing a helmet, so he’s incognito.

    Don’t whine: just a few months, you’ll have your own hack.
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  4. CCjon

    CCjon HighHorse Rider

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    Congrats, looking forward to a great build report.
    Thanks for letting us in on the process.

    CCjon aka Jan 2
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  5. pops

    pops Long timer

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    Thank you for posting.
    Looking forward to the build.
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  6. ladyknieval

    ladyknieval Been here awhile

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    Very interested, as I have a 2017 1090 that I would consider hacking. Miss sidecar riding, had a Ural, but am looking forward to a little comfort and highway ability, but able to go on trails, etc. New puppy needs taught as well! Your 1290 has same frame as my 1090, so I'm watching! :hmmmmm
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  7. BMWBUD

    BMWBUD Cancer SUX, Life is Good

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    One of the best looking sidecar rigs I've ever seen!
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  8. 3rdgeargrndrr

    3rdgeargrndrr Been here awhile

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    Updates?
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  9. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    Yeah, I agree. That Boxer sidecar was the reason we had our first sidecar built. It’s a pretty, classic design.

    Here”s a pic with me and grandson on the Honda Shadow with Boxer sidecar. Behind me is Mr KTM traveler with granddaughter on my KTM hack.

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    Verzonden vanaf mijn iPad met Tapatalk
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  10. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    Updates will follow when I’ve got something to tell you. Apparently Stern has got some delivery problems with the basic sidecar. It still hasn’t arrived at LBS. As the weather is finally getting better in the Netherlands, we are jumping up and down impatiently to get the building going.
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  11. TouringDave

    TouringDave Tri Moto Veritas

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    :-) Oh, this is going to be good!
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  12. halflive

    halflive Been here awhile

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    Let me guess, Pols, Winkelhuis, Engbers?
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  13. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    Yeah, those were the names!
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  14. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    Jan almost decided to de-order the Stern Rox body, due to being two months overdue and started looking for an alternative.

    I thought it is a real pity to leave the original design and go for second best. I just know Jan will regret that for years. It got harder to try to persuade him to wait.

    He did wait. He had a few different scenarios available to put some pressure on the supplier (in Germany) and the manufacturer (in Czech Republic). Probably they heard some rumors that Jan was planning to take some action himself. They rushed to put the Stern Rox in the mail.

    It arrived today at LBS.

    Cavalry was ordered to withdraw.

    I was a little relieved.

    See pics. This is not the final color and the windshield will be lower.

    Let the games begin!

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  15. TouringDave

    TouringDave Tri Moto Veritas

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    Good looking body, that. :clap
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  16. Attilo

    Attilo n00b

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    Nice bikes!
    how do you avoid the transmission chain touching the rear swing arm pivot ?
    I found myself this is a very annoying problem when turning left with a dual purpose sidecar such as KTM or KLR or At.
    When turning left all the weight goes on the rig, rear suspension extend and chain bumps in to the pivot !?
    Am I the only one to notice this ?
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  17. ktmtraveler

    ktmtraveler Been here awhile

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    @Attilo: never noticed that problem, but will ask LBS/Ad Donkers next time I see him.
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  18. Attilo

    Attilo n00b

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    Thanks ! are you aware of any modification to rear suspension of the Superenduro ?
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  19. motocopter

    motocopter ˙˙˙ƃuᴉɥɔɹɐǝS

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    I'm wondering how a chain slapping the swingarm on a long-travel bike such as those in your examples @Attilo is different than the same bikes without a hack.
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