BulletProof Vs. Bloodweiser

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by Bloodweiser, Jul 18, 2011.

  1. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    Going to let you guys in on probably the best idea I've ever been a part of. :deal

    Two old buddies decided to create a contest.
    One that would stretch a lifetime.
    Who can put together the better Yammy 2 stroke.


    How will we decide who's bike is actually better?
    Well, by an arbitrary point system of course.



    Here's what we have so far.
    Green points are available to anyone at anytime.
    Yellow points are only awarded once for each contestant.
    Red points are for whoever reaches that point first.


    Purchase Price
    • +1 point for every dollar UNDER $500
    • -1 point for every dollar OVER $500

    1. Purchase Price - subsection 1: If the bike was bought in baskets:

    • Frame = 100 points
    • Motor Top End = 100 points
    • Motor Bottom End = 100 points
    • Front End = 50 points
    • Tank = 50 points
    • Seat = 25 points
    • Wiring harness = 25 points
    • Wheels = 25 points each
    • Carburetors = 25 points each

    Mods:


    1. Modifying a stock part = 35 points
    2. Installing a custom part = 50 points
    3. Frame cutting = 40 points

    New Parts

    1. Frame = 100 points
    2. Motor Top End = 100 points
    3. Motor Bottom End = 100 points
    4. Front End = 50 points
    5. Tank = 50 points
    6. Seat = 25 points
    7. Wiring harness = 25 points
    8. Wheels = 25 points each
    9. Carburetors = 25 points each
    10. Tires = 50 points each
    11. Other (not listed) = 10 points


    Superficial: For a paint job to be awarded points, it must remain for a period of 3 months.


    • Tank = 100 points
    • Side Covers = 50 points
    • Fender(s) = 25 each
    • Powdercoating = 50 points an item.
    • chrome = fuck chrome.




    Firsts:


    1. First Bike Started = 150 points
    2. First to 200 miles = 300 points
    3. First horn beep = 15 points
    4. Bike Road Legal Registered, Insured and Inspected. = 100 points
    5. 45 second unassisted idle = 100 points
    6. Wheelie Documentation = 250 points
    7. Speeding Ticket = 69 Points
    8. Documented Burnout: Dirt = 25 points / Pavement = 35 points

    Things that will continually be bested

    • highest speed = 100 points
    • best mpg = 25 points
    • worst mpg = 25 points
    • brake distance = 75 points
    • lightest bike = 100 points
    • rattiest (I think ratty is going to be a point heavy category for awhile:deal) = 4 points
    • longest wheelie = 100 points

    TAXES
    in order to try and keep this contest, well competitive
    and not just a race to empty wallets.

    Used parts = +1 point for every dollar under $100
    New Parts = -1 point for every dollar over $100

    *10/29/11
    "but what we decided was any $$ spent to get the bike running (initially)
    would not be counted against anyone.
    Upgrades not included. Stock replacement parts only.
    So we created a window of opportunity,
    to at least get our bikes running. "





    And what do the points mean?
    At the end of every calendar year, points will be evaluated and the individual with the LOWEST number of points has to buy the motoGP video pass for the upcoming season. We are also working out the possibility of a trophy in which the winner will hold in his possession for the entire year (if anyone has a trophy with a motorcycle on it and would like to donate it, please inquire within)

    That's right folks. This is just the initial phase of this lifelong contest.
    Each year we hope to surmise completely moronic ways to best each other.


    Some future subcontests:

    • Drag Racing
    • Technical Course
    • Highest top speed
    • Best (and worst) MPG
    • People's choice award (that's where you come in :deal)
    • Lightest Bike
    • Endurance contest
    • brake distance

    Now, while we have wasted too much time on this already -
    we still haven't got all the bugs worked out of our system.
    At this stage I'd like you to kindly offer suggestions for
    other ways to score points,
    point out any loopholes we may have created,
    and yell at us and tell us to hurry up and shit.










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  2. Boxer Metal

    Boxer Metal Mad Scientist

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    Subscribed. This should be a lot of fun.
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  3. killfile

    killfile 49/50

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    +200 points to the first person to ride it in and complete the Moto Melee in California.

    I'm keen to see what develops!
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  4. Beater

    Beater The Bavarian Butcher

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    Holy Cow. It sounds like you really haven't put a lot of thought into this. Maybe you should rethink it?

    :lol3

    PS - Subscribed :evil

    PPS - What model years are you looking at?
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  5. Airhead Wrangler

    Airhead Wrangler Adios Mexico

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    I'm not sure that ANY two stroke I've ever owned has been able to do that.

    I'm going to be watching this one closely. I applaud you in the spirit of rushed reckless redneck engineering. We need more of this around here.
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  6. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

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    And if you follow the 555 rules, jump on the bikes and ride them to StumpCity , Oregon !
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  7. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    Both of us know nothing about 2-strokes. Kind of a mutual handicap.
    I wanted and RD for awhile, but we thought an R5 would be cheaper
    and better for a couple reasons.

    R5's are from 1972 and earlier.
    In NY you can register a 1972 and older bikewith just a bill of sale.
    So probably cheaper.

    Also, we figured an R5 has more potential to be performance modified.

    There are no rules against using an RD top end, even from a 400.

    So really, any R5 or RD would be acceptable.


    What does an RD250 have in common with the rest of the heard?
    Is it just top end differences? Same Carbs, etc??
    Seen a couple cheapies.
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  8. anonny

    anonny What could go wrong?

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    Another 200 points for the first one here to get spanked by my H1 :D

    Good choice in bikes, always wanted a R5
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  9. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    I can't believe it when I look at the numbers, and still hear people say the h1 is a contemporary of the RDs.
    I'd love to have an h1 for awhile, but it doesn't seem like a bike I'd want to keep.
    An R5, or RD on the other hand.... :norton
    They've got something special.


    Anyway, just thought of brake distance and added it to the list.
    We should probably add a category; where things that will be continuously beaten should be.


    • highest speed = 100 points
    • best mpg = 25 points
    • worst mpg = 25 points
    • brake distance = 75 points
    • lightest bike = 100 points
    • rattiest (I think ratty is going to be a point heavy category for awhile:deal) = 4 points
    • longest wheelie = 100 points


    I know you guys can think of some more :freaky
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  10. BulletProof

    BulletProof aka Ropeman

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    :dllamaPrepared to be amazed





    But seriously... we have no idea what were doing. :freaky
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  11. stainlesscycle

    stainlesscycle Long timer

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    since you're new at 2 strokes

    what about negative points...

    blowing up pistons -100

    and

    performance mod/tuning that actually hurts performance -100
    :D

    oh and a dirt burnout is significantly easier than a street burnout why more points for dirt?

    oh and the real test would be first one to do 200 miles on it. that will put all factors into play...
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  12. stainlesscycle

    stainlesscycle Long timer

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    rd has 6 speed tranny, reed/cylinder/head/pipe differences. r5 has cooler engine covers. they mix and match though. i would assume the rd cases have bigger transfer ports, but it's been a while since i looked at the 2 together. i always did rd250/350/400 - i had r5's and ds7 but never tinkered with them much.

    someone correct me here - it's been awhile since i did an rd. rd has carbs with sync ports (slides have 'dots' in them) (or was it the other way around?) either way, if you hafta use stock carbs the black ones (right?) with the screws on the slide sides are the neatest.

    the rd350 are the fastest overall . the rd250 feels faster since it spools up quicker, but it runs outta juice way early. the 400 is more torquey.
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  13. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    I was kinda thinking you should get points for blowing up pistons :deal
    Oh shit, now we've got to create a rebuild category.
    I think of rebuilding shit as a pro rather than a con so, I'm going to give points for anything that falls into this section


    • Carbs (set) = 25 points
    • top end = 100 points
    • bottom end = 250 points
    • forks = 100 points
    Sound fair?


    Also added the first to 200 mile test. The first one here will receive 300 points.
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  14. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    yeah, this is going to be hilarious. :lobby




    So is it safe to say,
    that pretty much everything from an R5
    will jive with any old RD 250/350/400
    ?
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  15. Grider Pirate

    Grider Pirate Long timer

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    However, I would find it more appealing if huge points were awarded for the LOWEST COST bike winning any performance catagories. The guy who buys 2 each 1 5/8" ubends, some 1 1/4" x .125 steel strap, 2 feet of 1" o.d. .049 wall tubing, and beats his own pipes out of 20 gauge should make more points than a guy that buys a set of Denco's or such. ... just sayin'
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  16. spo123

    spo123 Man About Town

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    RD 250 has LOWER gears........
    RD 350 (250) have injector oil feed to CARBS
    R5 (DS 7) have injector oil feed to CYLINDER
    RD 350 (250) 6 speed
    R5 (DS 7) 5 speed
    RD 350 (250) REED VALVES
    R5 (DS 7) PISTON PORT
    RD 350 (maybe 250) Disc Brake front
    R5 (DS 7) Drum Brake front
    ALL PARTS INTERCHANGE......be aware of OIL FEED LINES!
    Gentlemen Start Your Engines!
    My R5 has been sitting, waiting for me for 5 years.......................:eek1
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  17. stainlesscycle

    stainlesscycle Long timer

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    this is gonna be fun. 2 newbies building 2 strokes. let the flurry of questions begin! here's a secret. it's not just air/fuel/spark. it's really about timing, squish, and a multitude of other factors. anyone can make a 2 stroke run. it takes skill to make one run well. it's a fine line between running perfect and blowing up. there is nothing like a well tuned 2 stroke. it's a steep learning curve, but at least you're building bikes with easy to get parts. (r5/ds7 pistons are VERY difficult to source. and expensive. i highly recommend you use rd stuff.) you should be reading the gordon jennings book (and the other one - i forget the name) now.

    subscribed!
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  18. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    We talked about this, but I can't find my numbers.
    I think we said the person with the lowest $$ into their bike at the end of each calendar year get XXX points.
    BULLETPROOF - What did we say about this?




    -I'm guessing oil feed lines aren't an issue if you run premix?
    -Does the 6speed fit in the R5 case?

    Have we mentioned, neither of us have bikes yet?
    Maybe you could help one of us out, Spo. :evil





    I googled Gordon Jennings and came up with the "Two-Stroke Tuner's Handbook" for $145. Yikes.
    Who has the pdf? :D


    Just starting to get into this one:

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    Thoughts that kept me up last night.
    - Should there be a penalty for buying an already running bike?
    - Should points be added or subtracted for miles traveled to pick up a bike?
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  19. stainlesscycle

    stainlesscycle Long timer

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  20. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    Hell yeah, thanks Greg!

    Guess I should go to work now,
    I don't know how I'm supposed to concentrate.

    :norton
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