BulletProof Vs. Bloodweiser

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by Bloodweiser, Jul 18, 2011.

  1. motomike14

    motomike14 Thumper Crusader

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    Did you give him a bullet as well?

    BTW, for anyone interested, I have a set of Bassani pipes for an R5. No silencers. Pipes are okay shape; have some rust and a couple of dings. But not horrible shape. Good for that bonkers R5 project (sadly, mine is gone) or if you want to go to jail for too loud of pipes (weekend escape from the wife?).

    PM me with an offer. Pretty flexible. Would like to see them scare some neighbors again.
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  2. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    Mike, pretty sure bulletproof will want those pipes, but he's been super busy
    GETTING MARRIED. :huh

    That's right ladies and gentlemen, our dear old Mr. Bulletproof is hitched.
    And as such, is no longer able to part with his money like he used to
    (actually he's always been a cheap bastard :deal).

    Even more silly, BP asked if I would take payments for the R5.
    Sure I says, at 10pts a month interest. :D

    Points total as of 8/2/11
    Bloodweiser - 125 points (including 1 month interest)
    Bulletproof - 100 points
    SOLO LOBO - 40 points (Thanks buddy!!!)




    I'd like to enlist some help with a rule I'm working on
    designed to keep this contest competitive and keep costs down.
    something like:

    Used parts = +1 point for every dollar under $100
    New Parts = -1 point for every dollar over $100

    What we're trying to do is make it so this doesn't end up being a contest
    to see who can drop the most money into their bike.
    Do the $ amounts seem reasonable? Should they be adjusted?
    I was thinking the new parts tax maybe should start at $150 or something.... :dunno

    This rule probably needs an exception list too; like tires.


    Would appreciate some input.
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  3. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    I like it :D
    What's the link to the thread?
    I've been hoping some others would start similar contests.

    Having the new parts tax come into effect at a certain dollar amount
    would leave cheap things untaxed, like you said:
    WD40, beer, cigarettes.....

    Now with raw materials;
    neither of us are machinists, we can't weld and we don't have garages...
    we'd have to outsource that crap or learn.
    I'm thinking machining costs should not fall into the parts tax category,
    but should have their own set of rules.
    All + points, because machining is too cool. :deal


    Thanks geode :freaky
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  4. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    Awesome!
    I see it gets a bit complicated when the participants and bikes are not equal from the start.
    BP and I are right on par with each other.
    I've had a little motor engine experience, but we're both complete noobs with 2 strokes.
    Also, I have very limited knowledge of disc brakes, and BP doesn't know much about drums. So, I took the bike with discs, and he got the drums :deal
    Trying to level the playing field as much as possible.



    I think adding a weight reduction clause is a good idea for our competition.
    Say, 1 point for every lb shaved?


    We have also been discussing using WERA or some other vintage racing organization's guidelines for the build.
    At least there's the possibility we might actually track race these things.
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  5. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    what class?
    I haven't had the time to start trying to figure that out.
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  6. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    oh you bastards!
    You finally found this "build" thread hiding in olds cool.


    fuckers.
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  7. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    I've been really mulling over this weight reduction clause.
    It's a great idea for sure, but weight reduction is monstrously easy at first
    and get's harder and harder as you continue.
    We need some sort of exponential formula or something. I think.


    Or maybe it would just be easier to say:
    1 point for every lb lost up to 50 lbs
    then 10 points a lb thereafter.


    Someone out there must be a math wiz.
    :confused
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  8. BulletProof

    BulletProof aka Ropeman

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    Blood and I are having a serious sit down (:freaky) this weekend to hash out the details and make up a comprehensive scorecard using suggestions and ideas posted here.


    Where can we find a scale to weight our shit at? I've heard of folks using athome bathroom scales - is that accurate enough?
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  9. BulletProof

    BulletProof aka Ropeman

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  10. ADK

    ADK ____

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    :rofl

    :freaky

    :lurk
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  11. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    The dump I go to weighs your truck before and after it takes a dump.
    I feel like if we went there on a weekday they'd happily weigh the bikes, I mean, all they got to do is read the number after we drive on the scale. Maybe we should each bring a bag of garbage with us :evil

    I agree with using the published stock weight as a start.
    But somehow it would seem more gratifying to weigh every piece that we remove. Sounds like we'll be going through a couple bathroom scales :D

    Who knows. But right, BP and I are going to get wicked hammered this weekend when I bring his bike down. This will be the first time he sees it and the first time we've been able to get together since we came up with this hair brained scheme. :freaky
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  12. Grider Pirate

    Grider Pirate Long timer

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    Bathroom scales will be far more accurate than the scales at the dump.
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  13. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    R5 front wheel:

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    R5 Rear wheel:

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    R5 weight as of 8/7/11 = 315 lbs





    RD front wheel:

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    RD rear wheel:

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    RD weight as of 8/7/11 = 365 lbs
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  14. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    So yeah.
    I really should get this info down before I completely forget it.

    Us morons got together last weekend and got stupid drunk
    and played with BP's R5. We started out in good stride anyway.
    I'm trying to remember what we figured out... Still seized, but a
    block of wood and a BFG on the pistons got some movement. Still,
    the kick won't budge. Nor could we get it to shift. He is missing the
    shifter of course. We tried vice grips, but couldn't get a good purchase
    without totally buggering the shaft. We even yanked a shifter off an
    80s XS, but it didn't fit - maybe it would, the diameter looked alright,
    and if they were both my parts, I woulda smashed it on. But it was BPs
    bike and some other guy's shifter. So we left it at that.

    Found out his rear brake linings are missing :lol3
    That was pretty funny. We spent too long trying to adjust the damn
    thing before we thought to pull it off and see what's going on in
    there. Not a trace.

    What else did we do?
    We pulled the right side cover. Plastic gears? :huh I've never heard
    of such a thing. Did I see 2? To the left and right of the clutch
    basket? What is it, like a shear pin?

    After that, BP said fuck it and wanted to pull the motor. But then
    the pizza showed up and after that the whiskey showed up. And
    then I'm really not sure.


    The next morning we weighed his bike, and then realized neither
    of us had anything to do that day, so hey, let's drive 2 hours and
    weigh my bike. Alright. (see above nerd).



    And occasionally we remembered to take a picture.


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  15. Bloodweiser

    Bloodweiser honestly

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    We also talked a lot about the Parts Tax.
    But I can't remember the details and the notes are at BPs house. :D

    No points were awarded this weekend. However, I received $350 from
    Mr. BP which means, if he gives me another $50 before 8/23 I won't
    receive any interest points.
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  16. BulletProof

    BulletProof aka Ropeman

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    So I guess I'll pcik up where we left off.

    After a full evening of tom-foolery, we head up to BW's shanty to weigh in and fiddled some. First objective was getting the thing to move. Both brakes were pretty stuck. We made short work of removing front and rear calipers and gave the pistons a look see (dual opposed piston calipers!). One kinda moved and the others, well, didnt. To celebrate we wheeled it around the yard making motor noises.

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    Not much else was accomplished as time was limited by an unnerving weather forecast.
    I did learn that BW has a soft spot for this luggage rack....

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    and WTF is this thing for?

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    Mitsubishi relay?

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    POs maintenance log

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  17. YZman

    YZman Bouncing off Trees

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    Blood I had the strangest dream last night. I dreamed that I finially fired up my BSA last night.... and it sounded just like a 2-stroke RD350 :lol3


    And it sounded gooooodddd... :wink:
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  18. Stagehand

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    As said, it will be far more accurate if the wheels are at the same height. the lower extremity will always have a hair more weight than the higher one.

    Think of it like, two guys holding a beam on each end. If the beam is horizontal, both guys are sharing the load equally, but if the beam is vertical, one guy has the whole load and the other guy has none. If the beam is 45deg, the lower guy will be taking about twice the weight of the upper guy.

    So jam a 2x4 under the wheel not being weighed at the time so they are the same height. :D

    It might be close enough for your purposes to ignore me completely, though :D I would not be offended. But I would hate to see you have dubious measurements when points are involved.
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  19. Mudhen

    Mudhen Foul Adventurer

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    "I don't want you to hurt your back, honey...I'll take the hard part bending over, you get the downward side of the TV when we go up the stairs'... :deal

    Great thread guys. Enjoying the fun.

    Pat
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  20. WhorehayTheBarbarian

    WhorehayTheBarbarian Been here awhile

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    This thread is awesome..

    Me and a friend began a similar competition a couple years ago. We ended up with a couple heavily modified and very different bikes for about $2k each. (neither one are realiable runners to this day) :D
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