bultaco metralla, what would you pay?

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  1. Renner

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    Just for future reference (once I win a lottery and get a garage) which model and year has the enclosed chain kit?
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    Model M23 late 1966 or early 1967. They couldn't give them away and converted many to scramblers with an up pipe called an El Tigre. From what I understand Bultaco made about 3000 Metralla M23's 1966 to about 1974.
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  4. jcf

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    All good advice given - that price seems in the ballpark.
    I have seen VERY few of the Metralla 62's for sale anywhere.

    The Model 23's I see going for 6-9,000.

    Thankfully I have one of the M8's and very soon I may have her a big brother 250

    The 4 speed 200 is a perfect little back road runner. Not crazy fast or even exceptionally quick off the line - but once she gets going you get from turn to turn plenty fast.
    And the feel of the ride is really wonderful - very solid and responsive - and the sound ! almost the best part of the whole package.

    The M23 is a little bigger size - and quicker and faster, but also a little less raw and salvage ( spanish wild )

    The balls would be to turn the M8 into the RS version - see below. Used to be just a few dealer options and some head work, move the pegs - now you need to track down some hard to find parts as well - but still do-able.

    The Kit America M23 is next to it in the pic.

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  5. jcf

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  6. jcf

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    Oh - by the way - that bike your looking at has been for sale for quite a while now.
    I was going to take a look at it when I was in Cali but didn't have the time.

    Definitely worth a look.
    That one is RS ready.

    One other thing - the M8 is not a bike for big folk - if you're around 200 pounds I would look for a M23
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    A great bike to follow on a twisty road, the sights, the smells, ahhh!

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  9. mtothef

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    i know, i've been watching this bike for several months as it has been surfacing and sinking repeatedly. curiosity finally got the better of me.

    that M8 of yours is a beauty!

    i am, at a few days away from 47, 5'9" and 195 pounds. the heaviest i have ever been, and a good 25 pounds over what i consider a good stable weight. last few years have seen far more hours in front of the screen than on top of the pedals, and i am paying the price. as part of an ongoing series of resolutions, bicycles and motorcycles are the things i need to spend more time playing around on, and work needs to be the thing i spend less time stressing out about. working on that. but thanks for the sizing tip.

    out of curiosity - do the M23s differ much in physical dimensions - wheelbase, seat height, bar reach - from the M8, or is it a matter of smaller motor being the fatty killer?
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  10. Renner

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    MvR8 in this case but he's a regular attendee.

    I spent a stretch riding alongside during a previous MvR ride.
    This one runs as good as it looks.

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  11. jcf

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    WOW That is one sweet M23 !!!

    It's more the engine capacity.

    I am actually not sure if the frame is the same. I know I have an article that compares the two models but I will need to dig for it.

    The Mk 2 has a slightly larger wheelbase of 1315 mm vs 1305 on the M8

    " " heavier at 102 Kilos vs. 97 Kilos "

    Both are the same height at both seat and bars.

    It is surprising how much beefier the Mk2 feels next to the M8 looking at those #'s, but the Mk 2 definitely feels bigger.

    I am 5'6 155 and the smaller bike fits me like a glove.

    PSchrauber has good reason to have issues with the Metralla as despite the simple design they can be finicky.
    I have been chasing small problems since I got it.
    I would not feel comfortable riding a long way on it not only for the mechanical/electrical gremlins but because they vibrate like crazy.
    You need to keep the torque wrench ready and the story goes that with the Mk2 you had to carry a pocketful of plugs and tail lights.

    But I love it none the less.
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    That same bike is back on the market.
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/2778763727.html
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  13. jcf

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    Wish I was closer (and didn't just spend all my play money on an R69S)
    That is worth a look - if maybe not the asking price.

    For the record - it is official - the M8 frame and the M23 frames are NOT the same.
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    I really wish you guys would stop posting these pictures of Metrallas.... in my opinion one of the prettiest motorcycles ever made and I deeply regret not buying one years ago when I had the chance.

    A friend of mine at work had a small collection of Bultacos and after he suffered a stroke and a year or two went by it was obvious he was never going to be able to ride again.He had an early Matador, an Alpina, two Lobitos and the most gorgeous Metralla withe the road racing kit. Unfortunately he wanted to sell all five bikes at once - I just wanted the Metralla but I went over to his house to check out the bikes. Two of the dirt bikes were in his carport and the other two were in the shed out back - I was looking for the Metralla and couldn't see it so I asked Bob where it was. - He led me inside to his den where it was up on a stand with small spotlights aimed at it - it sat where he could gaze at it from his recliner. It was beautiful and I just could not persuade him to sell it separately ( I think he was using the package deal as an excuse to his wife so he could keep it in his den).

    Any way I went with one of the other Spanish alternatives - an Ossa Wildfire - 185 lbs of pure magical fun.

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    I took the R69S out yesterday - it was very very nice, but I kept finding myself thinking about how much I love my little Metralla ...
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    Hey Solaros - I just noticed your avatar - is that a C or a B ?
    Do you have a bigger pic of it posted anywhere ?
    I have a [slightly less] early P car.
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    Its a Kustomized 1956 356A Carrera coupe - lots of pictures on my smugmug pages at www.solaros1.smugmug.com

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    Wow - sure is different than I was expecting all blown up !
    Thought it might have been an Outlaw but not that.

    I just saw a piece on that car a little while ago in Pano or Excellence ?
    Can't remember where but I know I saw it.

    Quite a history of toys - love the Corsa.

    Get a Metralla - you won't regret it ( to put this back on topic )
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  19. Solaros1

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    It's the original Outlaw Porsche...

    There were articles in both Panorama and Excellence last summer after its appearance at the Amelia Island Concours. I think Classic Motorsports is going to do an article on it as well.

    The Corsa was fun - by the time I got through tweaking the turbocharged engine it was putting out something north of 250 HP - enough to light up the E60 x 14 tires going into third gear and strong enough to push the car to 132 mph (timed between mile markers on I-75). It was the victim of a teenager who blew through a stop sign and T-boned it in the drivers door - no injuries but a bent Corvair.

    I actually owned my Wildfire twice - sold it and bought it back about ten years later. It was the OSSA equivalent of the Metralla but not quite as pretty. I always wanted to replace the standard 230cc 4-speed (around 26 HP) with a 250cc 5-speed OSSA Phantom engine (42 HP with an extra gear). Since I had already collected a warning ticket in Chambers County Alabama for doing 112 mph in a 55 zone on the Wildfire with the stock engine I sort of thought having that much more engine would not be conducive to being able to stay out of jail (although I bet I could have gotten it over 125 with the right gearing).

    My wife does not want me to take any more projects on right now although I'm trying to resist a vintage Husky WR250 that's for sale near me right now for $1300 - having watched "On Any Sunday" again last week isn't helping any.....

    But these are so pretty.... one of the best looking fuel tanks ever designed

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    Yes, very very special.
    Mind boggling and humbling.

    Shocking, the kind of people that frequent this site....hat's off to you sir.
    And thanks.

    Makes me feel even better that you would appreciate the Metralla - I thought it was just me (and maybe the Museum of Modern Art which I have heard has one in their collection)
    I agree, one of the sweetest designs ever.
    Simple, no-nonsense, form follows function with a Spanish earthiness.
    - Like a Jabugo hanging from the ceiling with a plastic cup jammed into it to catch the grease dripping off it.

    And don't get me started on the TSS ! ( Which by the way shares the same frame as the M8 )

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