Burgman 650 Updated for 2013

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by cbolling, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. cbolling

    cbolling Here...Hold my Beer.

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    Just bought a 2011 Versys to go along with my Zuma 125.

    I think a Maxi scooter would be a great combination of the 2.
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  2. Rugby4life

    Rugby4life Been here awhile

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    Or an addition to the two??? :evil:evil
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  4. Mrnoital

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    These are machines we are talking about.
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  5. MQracing

    MQracing Been here awhile

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    I'll join the choir and sing the praises of the Burgman 400. I have a total of five bikes--- if I were forced somehow (by contempuous gods or something) to pare down to just one bike I'm afraid it would most likely be the Burgman.

    I've gone up the NE EXT (turnpike) in PA running 85mph indicated--- for scores of miles at a time. Yet it is a good bike
    in an urban setting (Philly). The bike carries it's weight low--- seat height is relatively low--- fuel mileage I'm getting is around 40 mpg in the city and around 62mpg on the highway.

    Sometimes I get where I don't like the "cruiser" ergos of the Burgman--- I've ridden for example the BV500 which is a more upright seating position and which I kinda like--- but I wonder if on a long trip the moreso limited ergos would grow old on me--- the Burgman gives you a lot of leeway in how you ride it--- meaning where you put your feet and etc.

    Another advantage of the burgman is that I can fit (depending on squeeze factor) somewhere btwn four to six full bags of groceries under the seat.

    I love all kinds of motorcycles and scoots--- wish I were in Jay Leno's boat to have one of everything I like.

    But for an all around really great two wheeler the Burgman 400 is tough to outdo.

    MSL
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  6. cbolling

    cbolling Here...Hold my Beer.

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  7. cdwise

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    FWIW, I traded in a Burgman 400 for a BV 500 and couldn't be happier. Everyone's views on the proper ergonomics vary but for me the BV is a much better tourer. I did a 4,400 mile trip on it this summer going from Colorado to Wyoming,South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, across the lake on the Lake Express Ferry, back through Wisconsin & Minnesota to North Dakota, Montana back down to Wyoming before returning to Colorado. I saw Crazy Horse, Mt. Rushmore, Sturgis, Badlands, Amerivespa, Theodore Roosevelt National Park, Yellowstone, Grand Tetons and a whole bunch of just plain old mountain/hills/sweepers and twisties (yeah, a lot of more or less boring upper plains as well but sometimes you have to take the boring with the fun.) Days ranging from a 100 miles to over 550 miles. The only advantage the Burgman would have had was that with the Burgman I could stow pretty much everything for the trip under the seat. With the BV I needed my Givi topcase and a rollbag but the roolbag doubled as a backrest which I would definitely have needed on the Burgman so it would have gone anyway.

    Burgmans are good scooters, they just don't fit me. Isn't it a good thing that there are different styles and ergonomics?
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  8. KennyT

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    Sounds like a great trip! I hope to do similar some day. What a great way to see the country...
    Is the BV 500 smaller than the Burgman 400 weight wise? I have only seen pics...
    I assumed a bigger bike would be easier out on long trips on the highway, but I may be wrong on the weights of the two...
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  9. KennyT

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    The BV 500 weighs 189kg, and the Burgman 400 weighs 222kg. I guess the Burgman just looks more like a touring bike to my uninformed eyes, while the BV has that classic retro look of a smaller scooter...
    Just learning all I can...
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  10. MQracing

    MQracing Been here awhile

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    I test rode a BV500 and was quite impressed... it has much more torque than the Burg 400. I liked the more upright seating position and IIRC it had "quicker" handling than the B400. Great scoot. And the Silver Wing 600 is another great scooter. Again, a more upright seating position--- and once more a stronger bottom end than the B400. Yet another tempting product.

    Your so correct--- and it is a good thing--- the many choices that we have as consumers. I'd love to test ride the new Aprilia SRV850 as well as taking a trot on a Mana. I know I could find space in my garage for a GTV300 and I'm intrigued by the new BV350. I did sit on a PCX-150 the other day---- and have read many positive posts about this bike---- and for the price it seems like a good deal--- great fuel mileage and decent top end speed wise. Only thing is that when I sat on it--- it just felt "plastic-ly" and cramped in the cockpit compared to my Burgman 400.

    Pardon my ramblings...:norton
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  12. InlineSkate

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    To be fair the PCX 150 is a mid-size scooter while the Burgman is a maxi.

    Kind of like comparing a BMW 3 series to an S-Class in terms of size. :p
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  13. DandM

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    We just test drove both Burgman's while at Biketoberfest in Daytona. I drove the 650 while the wifester drove a 400. Then we took the 650 out again together, with the wifester checking out the back seat. I/we were impressed. Very impressed with the 650 Burgman. She bought a new 400 Burgman in 2008 and still loves it. Her bike is a keeper. I might be joining her in Burgmansville with a new 650. It was that good.
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  14. Bar None

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    DandM,
    Congrats. Did you test drive a 2013 650?
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  15. cdwise

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    The BV and Scarabeo 500s are smaller and not smaller if that makes sense. They are a bit taller and not as wide which fits me better. Weight distribution is different with the Aprilia/Piaggio scoots having a lower center. I've ridden them both in 40+mph cross winds and found both to be quite stable. i think the BV handles gusts better than the Burgman but that's subjective. Heavier isn't always better and does affect top end as well as acceleration.

    The Italian scoots combine many of the characteristics of the smaller traditional style scooters and while bigger than the GTS the BV/Scarabeo ride significantly different at high speeds due to their bigger wheels. Which makes them better for touring than the GTS. They are definitely more nimble than the Burgman and make tight turns easier (IMHO, yours may vary). I found the Burgman to be a bit of a pig at low speeds and I had to acquire a knack to move it around the garage. Something my husband never did which is another reason we traded it in. The Burgman was supposed to be his but I ended up riding it more than he did.

    I've ridden both the Burgman and the Scarabeo (same engine and frame, different suspension, seat and cosmetics from its cousin the BV) with my brothers on their BMWs. Had no trouble keeping up with them in the twisties though going up a grade on a straight freeway they could leave me behind but that probably isn't surprising.

    For me I'll take touring on either the Scarabeo or the BV over a Burgman any day of the week. Of the two I prefer the Scarabeo, its suspension is better, probably coming from the Aprilia bikes and the seat is more comfortable (not sure where that comes from though.)
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  16. DandM

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    I believe the 400 and 650 were both 2012's.
    Wife is going to keep her 2008 400 Burgman.
    I'll probably be trading in my 2011 C50T for a 2012 650 Burgman and join her.
    I don't like buying a new and/or improved model of anything so the 2013 650 Burg is not an option.
    Let someone else get the bugs out of a new and/or improved anything.
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  17. rs42sport

    rs42sport Been here awhile

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    I like it...
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  18. Lps2009

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    I just got a 2011 650, its my second one and I LOVE IT <<<< i had many different bikes between but went back to a burgman. !!!
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  19. soboy

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    Both the 650 and the 400 are very nice, but different, bikes. When I was in the market for a maxiscooter, I test rode both models. For LD touring, the 650 is the best choice in maxiscooters and compares favorably to big touring motorcycles. It has lots of power, great handling and brakes, very comfortable and stable. Felt very much like my buddy's BMW RT1150. I found the stock seat mildly uncomfortable and the stock windscreen was not good, so I would need to change out both of those items, which is fairly standard procedure with most bikes. For around town, the 650 is just a bit too big and heavy for me, especially since I had my foot surgery. The 400 had more power than I expected, it went from zero to 60 mph quickly. I liked its stock seat but I did not like its windscreen nor the less than pleasant one cylinder drone at speed. It would be a very useful, economical and practical bike for suburban commuting and errand running - huge trunk and enough power and presence to handle aggressive cagers.

    BTW, I ended up getting a Yamaha Tmax. Not quite as suitable for LD touring as the 650, but a much, much sportier bike. The 500 twin is more powerful and smoother than the 400. On good pavement, the Tmax even outcorners my old GSXR 1000. In many ways, I feel the Tmax is the best handling motorcycle I've owned. It also has a perfect riding position for me. Both the stock seat and windscreen fit me perfectly. The Tmax fits in between the 400 and 650 in many ways and I have enjoyed owning it for the last year.
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  20. HornHonker

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    If I had the space and money I'd still have a Burg 650 in my garage. Much like my Goldwing at 1/3 the price. :D
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