Butler Maps – printed motorcycle maps for riders by riders

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  1. bhb

    bhb Been here awhile

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    The maps that I have (SoCal, Idaho, Utah) have a "Looking to Get Dirty" section, which list cool dirt roads on the map. I don't believe they are "highlighted" on the maps themselves though.

    They also have paved mountain trails and lost highways, which, in my experience, are paved, but sometimes not very well.

    Generally speaking, though, these are fantastic for on-road use, excluding the BDR maps, obviously.
  2. Cycledelic Relic

    Cycledelic Relic follow old goatpath

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    Hey folks,
    Roll The Bones was a big time this last weekend with 120 sumthin riders signed in. I put about 725 miles on the bike Fri-Sun & got back home around 5pm yesterday. Lots of dual sport riding with minimal mishaps. KTM was well represented by a bunch of 950/990 Adventures along with other models (even a 640 Rallye) At least 4 TransAlps...2 with Africa Twin headlight conversions. 2 BMW HP2s a couple of Ural hacks.. an 1150GS hack & Cleatus' Guzzi home biult hack.

    + all the usual Sup Tens...Tigers ..KLRs...Versys.. Stroms. Also a smatterin of street bikes like Wings...a 1600GT & some sport bikes which obviously did the strictly paved routes. ...Of which I was a part of...kinda. (I had my own route which traversed to the east for TWT PIE @ Fairfield & Freestone County fun.)

    We're lucky ta have such a wide variety of riding right in our back yards. Maybe not the topography of ..say Colorado.... but L O T S more widely varying road conditions & types to chooze from.
  3. Cycledelic Relic

    Cycledelic Relic follow old goatpath

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    I believe that most of the Butler Maps now have some unpaved roads shown with dotted lines (either red or black) Not sure what the red/black indicates but it may be RED = roads ridden & verified... BLACK = roads suggested by other folks but not ridden yet. Is this right Bill???
  4. bhb

    bhb Been here awhile

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    :eek1

    Never noticed before, but you're right. The legend says red dash=recommended dirt road black dash=other dirt road. They also have Thin Red = unpaved /4wd road.

    :clap:deal
  5. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    3 more days till Ozark/THC map sale ends!
  6. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    i'll check and see if there are any plans for that next?
  7. eakins

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    there are big bike friendly easier dirt roads on the maps.
    we will only feature these types of roads, so all ADV and DS bikes can experience.
    our maps are NOT dirtbike maps.
    i know because i do all that work on that layer of the map.

    all of our state maps have (except for the Ozarks) have red dash dirts roads (approx 40 per map, except for THC). these are are our recommended dirt routes. they are awesome dirt roads to search out and explore. we also have gray dashed dirt roads that are also sweet (often more than 40) that i put on after i hit my quota of 40 reco roads.

    background: we had originally planed to create seperate dual-sport maps of each state but budget constraints showed this was not possible. when we 1st created the THC map we added some key dirt roads. when i got to look at that 1st revision edit of THC i said i'll work on adding more dirt roads and thus i got the job of doing that work.

    then when our other state maps sold out and when needed to reprint we decided to added 40 recommended dirt routes (red dash) and 40 other dirt routes (grey dash) plus add travel guides and other POI such as hot springs (my initiation and work too). we then created a version 2 of our maps (utah was at v3).

    the later completed V2s of maps had more than 40 grey dash roads as budgets allowed more to be added, but we stuck with approx 40 reco red-dash roads. over time, as reprints happen, i have been given a budget to add even more grey dash roads to further complete that vision of offering a dual-sport map for each state. at the same time we also plan on redoing the backside of each state map and thus you'll see a V3 of each state map. map making is never a finished product, but a constant refinement.

    now back to the Ozarks and no dirt roads. because the map scale of the Ozarks was such a large area this created very little space between the rated paved roads to add dirt road labeling on the map. also the names changed alot in a short distance. i tried to label dirt roads but it become such a tight mess of wording it was obvious early on that this did not look good on paper. we thus decided to scrap dirt for the Ozarks. we wanted it, but it would have made for a really cluttered and ugly map...it is a digital art piece after all.


    hope that helps, Bill
  8. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    those thin solid red roads (that are unlabeled) are on the map because at the zoom level (map scale level) the Benchmark base maps we use show those. they could be paved and they could be dirt, but we choose not to feature or label them (at this time). it's all about size constraints of our map area vrs amount of room on paper we can print on. when we zoom in, more roads are shown. when we zoom out less are shown. if you compare our different state maps, you'll see map scale differences between states.

    if you buy a Benchmark state atlas http://www.benchmarkmaps.com/ you'll see those are our basemaps we use to create Butler Maps and will have all the details you could ever need. Our cartographer works at Benchmark and thus we have full access (after licensing $ has been paid of course) to their maps. In a sense we are also pushing Benchmark further as we've created maps (Ozarks & THC) that Benchmark does not have in their inventory yet so they are created. Our east coast basemaps maps will all need to created as Benchmark is a western company.
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    bhb Been here awhile

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    Fantastic info!
  10. Motardhead

    Motardhead Adventurer

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    Bill, thanks a lot for the info. This is exactly what I have been looking for and will be picking up a Texas Hill Country map.
  11. eakins

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    You're welcome guys. glad to help.
  13. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    I was asked about mapping Bend Bend on TWT and here was my response:

    We love the Big Bend area, but it has too few paved roads to make a map for us. There are others out there that work. Our company focus is mapping & rating areas with a high number of great twisty paved roads. Secondary is to highlight some of the great dirt roads in that area. The Texas Hill Country will be the only area we map in Texas.

    We have finished riding AZ and NM and will release state maps when the budget allows it. The cartography mapping portion of our biz is the most expensive part of what we do so we release when we can. We have also divided the east coast into 4 regional maps and have ridden the southern most one (southern north carolina) and will release that one soon enough.

    After we are able to release AZ, NM and southern East Coast we might move north and work on the next 3 sections, but we will still need to ride OR and WA state and pay for those. We also need to map a BDR state each year & i'm thinking ID is next so we have a Mexico to Canada route (AZBDR > UTBDR > IDBDR) So as you can see we have 5 solid mapping areas to complete & pay for as well as annual BDRs. This alone is going to keep us busy for the next 3-5 years.

    100% we have an annual winter release of the AZBDR - http://www.backcountrydiscoveryroutes.com/AZBDR
  14. eakins

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    Today is the LAST day for this sale.

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  16. LVCJT

    LVCJT Been here awhile

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    Nevada. With Nevada being touted by many as the new Baja and the ever increasing number of people planning their spring and fall trips here, creating a BDR definitely couldn't hurt.

    Sent from the depths of my pockets
  17. hyperboarder

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    Waiting patiently for the Idaho and surrounding states special :D.
  18. eakins

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    yes i have asked and have gotten confirmation there will be a NVBDR at some point.

    http://whois.domaintools.com/nvbdr.com
    the name is owned by Cycoactive (Touratech) & they are our partners in this whole project.
  19. gleyfman

    gleyfman Adventurer

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    Hi!

    Just received my Northern and South Cali maps. While it is a great idea to make motorcycle specific maps, I couldn't overlook how cumbersome and inconvenient use of the paper map seems these days.
    First thing missing - ZOOM!!!
    I was trying to take a look at San Francisco/South Bay and I have a very hard time reading any details there. Just too cramped. Ride descriptions are also seems to be very generic - Something like - "HWY 1 - great ride", yes I know. I would really like to see some sort of integration into digital age.
    If you buy a map - you should get access to the digital version, be able to zoom in and out and ideally create a navigation list to export to GPS/Cell Phone?

    Any plans for that?
  20. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    thanks for the feedback!

    we are working on Iphone apps (Android to follow) for each of our state maps. it will be a separate purchase item from our paper maps. we've run into many problems integrating our rating system into digital form and thus this project has taken much longer than we hoped.

    as for digital map included...for $30 you just received a map of ALL the great roads in California. this takes ALOT of time and $ as will our digital maps. we must charge for that time or we cease to exist.

    yes i hear you on that area being cramped. it is. it's the nature of the beast with a paper map and we have only so much room to work with detail boxes. we had to divide the state into 2 maps because there are so many great roads. we have packed alot of info into each map for the $15 a piece you paid.

    sorry you don't like the ride descriptions. that's your issue to deal with. we try our best to use accurate and simple descriptions.

    what you will NEVER get from a digital map on your phone is the big picture and this is the focus of our company. only printed maps can give you the big picture. we make maps for people who ride all over the state and want to plan their 3-30 day trip. many use our maps to design routes and then load those into their GPS to follow. you have a smartphone. our map gives the names of the must find roads. every rated road is named so use your phone to find them.