Buyer bewear

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Jeathrow Bowdean, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    Lots of people are looking to replace thier bikes this year, and I see that a few people that end up with used bikes that are a total disappointment when the new owner finds out that the motor burns oil, and the bottom end rod and crank bearings are shot !!!

    Some of these bikes have been drowned in lakes and rivers, the wheel bearing are cooked and the folks selling them are crafty at fooling the un-werry buyer, so I thought that we should share the un-pleasant storys of bad deals that we have come across over the years.

    I'll start this off with a post about the perfectly good motor story

    From Jeathrow Bowdean in Western Canada
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  2. Harpoonalt

    Harpoonalt Been here awhile

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    Beware! Because I care. Carry on.
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  3. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    A few years ago, I went to look at a bike that was in awesome condition as the add said. Buddy showed me the bike, and it was just as clean as could be. I looked it over form top to bottom, and this bike was spotless. he offered to let me ride it, so I did. I head to my cycle shop and with in 20 minuets we found that the piston ring was toast, and the bike had run out of oil at one time in its life.

    The bottom end had a bad knock, and the best we could tell was that it might of been a rod bearing.
    I talk to the fellow and listen what he was saying about him owning the bike from day one, but then he sliped up telling me that his buddy this and his buddy that whe he had the bike, I knew then that this bike deal was a scam.

    He lead on that the bike did not burn oil even when I pulled the oil covered spark plug in front of him, and he got pretty nerves as I pulled a compression tester from my backpack and got a reading of much less then what the motor was suppose to have. Then the story change that the bike used a little bit of oil.
    I asked him if he had a long screw driver so I could listen to the bottom end, and he was unaware of this trick that us old tool heads know.
    With the screw driver in hand with my thumb over the end up to my ear of it, and the other end on the lower case I asked what the knock was!!! He was done founded that I picked up on his scam with the motor that had run out of oil.
    I can still to this day see the look on his face that I found him out, and not only did I pick him out of the wood works, I picked out a hand full more that were just like him in the next following years.

    My next used bike story will make you think twice about buying a used bike off of anyone !!!

    From Jeathrow Bowdean in Western Canada.
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  4. Katze

    Katze Full Time Rider

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    Buyer Be Bear...

    There's all kinda plicks out there. It''s a tough world and there are no guarantees...'cept death.

    No one's honest...no one cares. Eff him b4 he effs you! Don't give a sucker an even break. How do you know he's lying? His lips are moving.

    So Be Bear. Eat berries, take a shit anywhere you want, and have a stinky fur coat. No one will mess with you!

    I've prolly bought 20 used bikes over the years... I've be a little disappointed at times but never felt like i was totally burned....
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    Always a good idea to bewear of those un-werry buyers who are done founded.
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    groop So much to ponder

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    ^^^:stupid
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  7. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    As I honed my skills at picking out scamers, I grew awear that these people are getting crafty, so don't be scared to pull out all the stops at finding out if someone is pulling the wool over your eyes !!!

    I started looking at used sleds, quads, and bikes and the numbers of bad deals started to pop up more then I wanted, so this is when I started to buy new only.
    I went to look at a Honda ST 1100, and the seller would not let me ride it unless I paid him first, I knew that this wasn't going to happen, and it took me a long time to talk him into letting me listen to it run. He finally fired it up, and the pipes were blowing steam and moisture. it must of been 5 minuets before it quite, but when I would throttle it up it would blow steam again.
    Buddy let me check the plugs thinking that I would not pick up on any problem, and he was shocked that one plug come out wet, but as we talk some more, he sliped up on what shop was doing his work overs. A quick phone call from my truck to the shop he was using told me that this bike had been in a few weeks earlier to see why it was blowing rad fluid from the system. The best they could tell was that it could of been a head gasket or a cracked head, but the owner told them not to worry about it because he was going to sell the bike anyways.

    I felt bad thinking that some one with out the skills or know how would buy this bike and it would be a total disappointment. The worst part of the rad fluid thing is when it gets into the oil system, it contaminates the oil, and it is not good for the cam bearings or the rest of the motor for that fact. This was one dirty scam that buddy tried to pull, and I'm sure he got someone to fall for his rip off deal !!!

    From Jeathrow Bowdean
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  8. OrangeYZ

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    "Rar Rar, no one understands you she-bear!"
    I told you I ain't a bear


    Not a really funny story, but it is a story that's real about when I sold my old XR600:
    The guy probably knew something was wrong when I dropped my price $200 over the phone and agreed to deliver it to him on the other side of Portland at 5pm. But he looked it over, test rode it around the block, gave me money and we signed the title.
    "It's signed over, the money's in your pocket, deal is done, so (looks at bike with arms crossed) What's it really need?"
    Somehow I had told him everything that had gone wrong on the bike without saying I'm tired of this piece of shit breaking down everywhere!
    "Dude, If I knew what was going to break next, I'd replace that and keep the bike."
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  9. SkiBumBrian

    SkiBumBrian DualSport Crazy !!

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    You guys are hilarious! He does get the point across though. Maybe he has no spell check....
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  10. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    That is true. I wish that I did have spell check, but the old computer keeps on clicking. Ha Ha
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  11. Unstable Rider

    Unstable Rider Moto Fartografist

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    I just hate to buy used for all those reasons brother. :puke1

    An informed buyer can find great deals on hold overs, last year's models, etc., if willing to put in the search time and possibly travel to pick up what ever you seek. I don't like buying someone elses problems, repairs and modifications.

    That being said, if it's something that's extinct, getting rare or hard to find, well-- then you have to work it out. A compression test a very good idea. Or like you did, arrange ahead to go right to a dealer. One of these days I want a Honda Pacific Coast and will face the quest.
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    Harpoonalt Been here awhile

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    Bored after 5 minuets? Were they horrible dancers?
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  13. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    My friend is good at pick out these problems that come up with used bikes, and it has saved many of the dudes from falling pray to bad deals that are out there. I hope that many of the ADV up and comers take note.

    This could save them from fall into these scams !!!
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    Katze Full Time Rider

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    Shoulda test typed that computer for spell check b4 you bought it!:rofl
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    Katze Full Time Rider

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  16. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    When I watch some of the videos of unsuccessful motorcycle river crossing, it makes me think twice about buying a used bike off someone. Ha Ha.

    There might be sea-weed in the air clearn !!!

    The broken frame motorcycle is a bad purchase, " " " OH MY OH MY " " "
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  17. Unstable Rider

    Unstable Rider Moto Fartografist

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    I saw a guy that had posted his late model bike for sale with pics. Half his pictures showed the bike "sleeping" and or rolling through water over the hubs. Yet he wanted retail $ for it yet.... :lol3

    I jabbed him a little about wanting top dollar for a bike that had seen some apparent "adventures":puke1 and he got all pissy and wanted me to delete my comments. And then he insisted that he stopped immediately after the creek bed and "re-packed" his bearings. I swear, some people are their own worst enemas.

    I was simply pointing out the fact that his bike (in his own pictures) was laying on it's side in the gravel, and or up over it's hubs in a creek bed. I guess he thought someone would want his shiddy ass bike cause it had been his, and he was obviously COOL.
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  18. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    The fellow with the pooched oil burning KLR really got screwed in my books, and this sucks goats milk. I can't believe so many people fall pray to this time after time. The used market is full of bad deals, and to put some light on it will make people that buy in the used market more aware I hope.

    Someone needed to step this up a notch, so our fellow ADV dudes have an idea of these scams going down. I'm sure there are many on this forum that know this all to well, so by sharing this with them, it will give them the tools to buy smart !!!

    from Jeathrow Bowdean.
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  19. Unstable Rider

    Unstable Rider Moto Fartografist

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    Funny you mention that. I just saw a 2008 KLR 650 on Craigs-- for just $2900-.

    The guy was honest and said right up front "burns a quart of oil in 300 miles". Probably a real "bug fogger" :puke1

    I thought it was refreshing to see some honesty. Great bike for a 705 kit.
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  20. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    Yes on that all right. Boat anchor bikes are out there. Sand, Rust, and Wheel bearings full of water. Leaking forks and broken frames till hells half acer. I seen some real junkers when I first started off at looking at used toys, but after awhile I started to get keen to this stuff going on.
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