Buying A Lemon Bike

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by spawnx66, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. spawnx66

    spawnx66 Been here awhile

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    Would you buy a bike that was declared a lemon due to engine problems? The manufacturer has replaced the engine after the original owner got their money back and there is still over 2 years warranty on the bike.
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  2. CloneBoy

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    Yes, I would buy it if it test rode out nice, and it was significantly discounted, I would absolutely buy it
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  3. spawnx66

    spawnx66 Been here awhile

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    Yes there is a significant discount and the original bike has only 2000 miles on it. The new motor has probably less than a 100 miles and they will definitely let me test ride it.
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  4. ragtoplvr

    ragtoplvr Long timer

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    If the title is branded then you expect more discount. You will have a hard time selling it so plan on keeping it.

    If not branded title then go for it. Check all the mounting bolts though.

    Rod
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  5. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    Will the lemon law still apply if you buy it and disaster follows?
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  6. Conedodger

    Conedodger Wanna Ride

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    I bought an ST1100 with a "Rebuilt Salvage" title. Significant discount, knew I would have it long enough that resale value would not be an issue. Was one of the best bikes I've owned. I wouldn't hesitate on the bike the OP describes if the deal is right.
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  7. t-bills

    t-bills mcs are dangerous

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    Having owned a lemon, nope. I wouldn't touch it with a 39 and a half foot pole. The manufacturer kept making the same repair. The repair didn't work. I can't imagine the manufacturer did anything different before selling it to the next victim. The problem with lemons is not that the bike is possessed or anything. The problem is that the manufacturer won't/can't fix the true problem. Just my take.
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  8. mountaincadre

    mountaincadre Been here awhile

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    Just out of interest, what is said lemon.
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  9. ozmoses

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    Lemons= lemonade!

    Lemonade is water,lemons & a little sugar= CHEEP(bike challenge)!

    If the price is right...
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  10. spawnx66

    spawnx66 Been here awhile

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  11. NJ-Brett

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    BMW? No way!
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  12. RZRob

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    Bought one of these and the pesky thing blew 3 motors while still on the stock tires. Paid $10K sold it for $2.5K in a box. Feel like I got ripped off. Bike almost killed me and was inconvenient every time it left me stranded.

    Now I don't need to be the trendsetter.

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  13. atomicalex

    atomicalex silly aluminum boxes

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    If the warranty was tyre to tyre and the work orders were in order, then probably yes, given the appropriate discount. I'd want to see that the work made sense, that the diagnostics were fully documented, and that the dealer was going to stand behind it.

    Otherwise, no.

    If it's the crank position sender, no way even with a new motor.
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  14. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    Why would the crank position sender make such a difference? Can't it just be changed out?
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  15. atomicalex

    atomicalex silly aluminum boxes

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    My understanding of that particular problem is that some of the housings were mis-threaded, so the sensors get replaced and ground off again in short order. Hence the demand to see the full diagnostics on the failure that led to the lemoning of the bike. If it's a known defect with a known path to resolution, that's one thing. Heck, even if it's a bunch of dumb stuff that the dealer just got sick of listening to, I'd not be too bothered. But if it's a known defect that has no known resolution, or the resolution is known to suck, too, then run run away!!!
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  16. 1greenmachine

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    It all depends if the issue was with hard parts going bad and having multiple failures then maybe. If this a running issue then the engine may not fix it and and entail a lot of troubleshooting that obviously didn't work before. My personal feeling is that if it was bad enough to be lemoned then its got bad vibes going on and walk away.
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  17. PT Rider

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    This is part of the requirement under Canadian law:
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    • 4.3.7. You have tried to resolve the dispute with the Manufacturer (according to the dispute resolution process described in Your warranty booklet or ownerÂ’s manual) and have given not only the Authorized Dealer but also the Manufacturer a reasonable amount of time and opportunity to resolve the problem;
    • 4.3.8. You have allowed the Manufacturer to complete the work that it deems to be required under a recall being made under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act or a Manufacturer initiated service campaign"
    http://www.camvap.ca/


    So, why wasn't the problem fixed in the usual course of warranty repairs? Was this something that just took BMW time to actually find the source of the problem and develop a fix? Or...?


    Does this "brand" your title in your province? Will the title identify a CAMVAP vehicle? This would require a deep discount to you.




    By the way, Lemon Laws vary by state and by country. In my state motorcycles under 750 cc are not covered.
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  18. k-moe

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    Who missed the part of the first post where the engine problems were resolved by fitting a new engine? If that's the only thing that was wrong with the bike, then it's essentially a new machine. Personally. I'd want to see the service records that led up the to the engine being replaced, including all the documentatuion and e-mails that were sent between the mechanic(s), service writer, and the factory rep, before commiting to buy.
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  19. sstewart

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    Send it to Alabama and let my Bro-in-law test it. He runs the hell out of everything!
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