BV350 -- early thoughts!

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by quasigentrified, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. gogogordy

    gogogordy Long timer

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    A hundred dollar bicycle, and a motor vehicle are two different stories, and youre attempting to call them one in the same. One is a major purchase....an actual asset while the other isn't.

    (And by the way, Wal-Mart DOES charge to assemble....)

    There's nothing dishonest about a business trying to make a profit and passing through fees they are obligated to pay or collect for government, and I think it's naive of you to think so and laughable that you so adamantly discount the dealer community's value to the consuming public, as well as the role they play in the distribution model we have in this society.

    Fact is, EVERY major purchase has additional fees....from real estate, to vehicles.

    Have you ever purchased a home? It isn't an OTD price. There's loan fees, taxes, escrow charges, appraisals, etc. Motor vehicles on a smaller scale are the same thing.

    I guess if can't, or won't afford a certain vehicle then you need to move on and buying out of state through a resident and flipping it to you to avoid taxes is blatantly dishonest and puts you in the same place morality-wise as you claim dealers that ask for fee reimbursement are.
  2. JerryH

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    Walmart does not charge to assemble bicycles. Or if they do, it is included in the price. I have bought 4 bicycles from Walmart in the past 4 years, and paid the marked price, plus our ridiculous 10% sales tax. Nothing else.

    Obviously dealers must collect sales tax, title and registration fees when they sell a bike, or a car, etc. But those fees are set by the govt, not by the dealer. I'm talking about the "additional dealer markup" fees they add on, and stuff in their pockets, after making a fair profit by selling at MSRP.

    I am shopping for a new car, though actually buying one is at least a year away. I have called several dealers that have what I am looking for on their lot, with the price already shown on their website. I've called 7 or 8 of them, told them it would be a cash deal, and asked for the total price to drive away in it. Not once have I had an issue in getting that price. Yes, when you actually go in to buy they will try to sell you worthless crap like carpeted floor mats, upholstery protectant, paint protectant, extended warranties, etc. All you have to do is give them a firm NO on all of it. Or better yet, just get the exact price before going in, and take in a cashiers check for that amount.

    The difference is, car dealers are under a microscope. Everything they do or will try to do is well known for those that have done their homework. If there are rebates or factory to dealer incentives on the model you want, you need to know about it. Also, actual invoice prices (what the dealer paid) are public knowledge, so you know what kind of profit they are making.

    The "powersports" industry is shrouded in secrecy, and most of the information people need to know when buying a car is not available. And in most cases they refuse to disclose all the "fees" up front. They keep adding things as they go along.


    I have bought 2 houses. Yes there are a lot of fees involved, including the infamous "points" system. The last house I bought was nearly 20 years ago, but all the fees were stated up front. The mortgage company did try to screw me over by raising the interest rate above what it was already locked in at, but I told them no way, it stays as agreed, or the deal is off.


    As far as scamming the govt., I find that laughable. If the govt. paid me back everything they owe me, I could retire a wealthy man. This just happens to be a legal loophole, which I may or may not take advantage of depending on the situation at the time. People pay accountants and lawyers large amounts of money to find loopholes that will save them money. Don't think our president doesn't take advantage of as many of those as possible. It would be Un American not to.


    Anybody here old enough to remember the TV show called Fight Back, with David Horowitz? That's what people need to do with these greedy powersports dealers. Expose all their dirty little secrets. Get everything out in the open, so consumers can be educated about what they are spending such a large amount of money on. Let everybody know where every dollar goes. If the dealers are playing fair, they shouldn't have a problem with that.


    Last post on this. This is how I feel. Plain and simple. Tired of the games and scams. What I say is not likely to change anybody's mind, so it is pointless to continue with it. But the next time you buy a vehicle, especially a bike or other "powersports" vehicle, I'd look real closely at all those extra little numbers on there, and question every single one of them. Then maybe do a little research before actually signing anything.

    Oh yeah, I happen to think the BV350 is a great scooter.
  3. andoulli

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    This is one of the most absurd posts I have ever read. You clearly like living in Arizona, riding and driving on it's well maintained roads. I'm sure you appreciate the protection local police and firefighters provide. If you lost your job you could avail yourself of numerous local and state safety nets. What am I leaving out, oh probably a thousand other local and state government programs and agencies that make living in Arizona attractive to YOU! And yet you think the 10% sales tax is ridiculous? You justify this insanity by calling yourself a consumer advocate. Sir I know what a consumer advocate looks like, and you are not one. You simply want something for nothing, a free ride at the expense of others that pay their dues, and taxes. You are very good a confusing the issue, clearly been doing it for a long time. I know people like you, people that download free music, and have all kinds of justifications for why the artist has no right to your money. You know how to get the stuff you want without paying for it and you think that makes you smart. To many of us it makes you a jerk. Yeah, you are right and we are all wrong. I bet you say that to yourself a lot.
  4. misanthropic

    misanthropic Been here awhile

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    This is turning into CSM. This looks like a nice scooter. I'm new to scooters and am trying find one that fits me, I'm 6'2". I need to find one of these and check it out.
  5. klaviator

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    I'm 6-2 and 34" inseam. I did a short test ride on one. I fit on it pretty well. I didn't ride it long enough to really see how comfortable the seat would be but that's something that can be fixed if it's a problem. If you are looking for a scooter around this size, the Kymco GT300i would be another scooter to consider.
  6. misanthropic

    misanthropic Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the info. There is a Kymco dealer near me. My only question would be reliability.
  7. gogogordy

    gogogordy Long timer

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    You make more than one good point Andoulli.
    You and I are on the same page.
    (Thankfully Jerryh claims to be done whining about this ((on this thread anyway...))
  8. gogogordy

    gogogordy Long timer

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    KYMCO builds a great scooter. BMW thinks highly of them too!
  9. misanthropic

    misanthropic Been here awhile

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    Ha. You're right I've been looking at the C600 as well
  10. TechFrog

    TechFrog Professional Amature

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    That's a great trip. I mentioned to you about my trip to San Diego from here in LA and that we might go through Temecula, but we did LA-coast-San Diego Vespa Motorsport (servicing)- then to Palomar- HWY 74 and Idylwild, then back to LA via 60.

    Not as long as yours, but we did cover 440 miles in one day. I was the only BV350, the two others on my journey were both (sadly underpowered) GTS300 Vespas.

    I bought an AirHawk for my seat, so I did better on my 440 mile day, than other 150 mile days without it.

    See you at Amerivespa!
  11. TechFrog

    TechFrog Professional Amature

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    Nobody likes throwing money away, but it's not a scam if you know what they are charging for everything up front. You can shop around and compare OTD prices. I was able to negotiate a little off, but they know if they price too high, customers would by other scooters. They are still a good deal when you compare apples to apples.
  12. gogogordy

    gogogordy Long timer

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    That sounds like a great route....I know and ride all those roads.

    Yes, see you at AV. I'll head down there Friday .
  13. klaviator

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    Nice to see some people putting some miles on their scooters:thumb
  14. quasigentrified

    quasigentrified Ape Trumpet

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  15. gogogordy

    gogogordy Long timer

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    Dude....nice pipe-age! How does she sound?
  16. Gerg

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    Ok, I'm hooked...

    We drove up to Fresno from Bakersfield to look at scooters. The local dealers either don't have freeway ready scoots or they have $10000 scoots. Neither of which I really want.

    So Wilson's in Fresno has a black 350 and I think I'm in lust. We didn't pull the trigger YET... the decision was to check here to see if there was any chatter on the 350.

    Wow... talk about a love fest!

    The thing I was looking for is something to haul in the toy hauler for local type trips when we are being tourists (and not hauling other toys). This looks like it would fit the bill and freeway legal.

    So, one last thing.. how is this for two up? With both of us we're looking at around 350 lbs with helmets and clothed. What's the verdict?

    Gerg
  17. quasigentrified

    quasigentrified Ape Trumpet

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    pulled the baffle, so like a helicopter when idling, and like a bastard on the freeway :evil
  18. GREY.HOUND

    GREY.HOUND Been here awhile

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    Gerg, I can't answer your questions but I bought my sportcity from Wilson's. They didn't have the BV when I bought mine.
  19. Bueller

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    GF and I are just a bit over 300. We rode two up for the first time on my BV last night. I took it to 70. While it is a bit slower than with just a rider as you would expect, it still accelerated briskly and didn't seems to be straining at all to maintain that speed.
  20. Gerg

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    And my new Scooter is sitting in the driveway with 110 miles on it (not bad for a 100+ degree day). This thing is a HOOT! After 45+ years on motorcycles the pure fun has returned!

    I'll post my impressions a bit later but dealers ARE dealing.

    Gerg