Calgarians that dualsport

Discussion in 'Canada' started by macuser, Feb 9, 2009.

  1. Beema Killa

    Beema Killa Beema Killa

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    Lav, you're gonna LOVE that bike. I grin ear to ear every time it throw a leg over my 990. Congrats man.
  2. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds I'm alive.

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    Looks like a well sorted bike!
    Details?
  3. Lav1200

    Lav1200 Pig Pen

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    It's a 2006 950, barely broken in with only 5500 miles. Plenty of upgrades on it from stock (Superplush suspension, 2-into-1 Akro exhaust, Renazco seat, Safari tanks, etc). I'm itching to ride it. May try to haul it south for a spell before spring to try it out.
  4. Canadian_Bacon

    Canadian_Bacon Been here awhile

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    I'm looking in to getting my suspension re-valved too. Apparently these local guys do good work, but a trip down to San Fran is also pretty temping. :rofl


    I really want to do my suspension and may have to plan a little ride to San Fran to do it. No sense shipping when you can ride down. I would like to hear that exhaust and am sure I will when the snow is gone. That will be the first one with Safari Tanks around here that I know of.[/QUOTE]
  5. Lav1200

    Lav1200 Pig Pen

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    Guys - Dave Clarke at Ride Concepts (in Chestermere) does great work on suspension if you are looking for revalving & respringing. I'm sure he could work wonders with the WP forks/shocks on a KTM twin.
  6. Cberg

    Cberg Adventurer

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    I feel the same way. Just picked up a 2012 Super Tenere yesterday in Edmonton while it was puking snow.
  7. dwayne

    dwayne Silly Adventurer

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    I had my Olin's shock rebuilt by him. I was quite happy with the results. James at super plush does nice work, I had my 250 front and rear done by him years ago, he come with some pretty serious recommendations. I don't know hoe Dave is with the WP PDS stuff, but James has it wired.

    Nice bike Andy!
  8. Cal

    Cal Long timer

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    Dave rebuilt my rear OEM F650 shock. Great work and a decent guy. Its beeen rebuilt twice in 90000kms.
  9. pirate277

    pirate277 Earl of Leisure

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    Good way to piston up Lav1200.

    After the honeymoon and the orange Tequila, you can join the KTM talk.:1drink

    "We don't need no steekin fool jecters, absent breakin sistem, actshun control sistem"

    "We got one hand fo GO and WHOA and no steekin nanny pooter":1drink:freaky
  10. kaptinkaos

    kaptinkaos Just some nOOb

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    Just a heads up Lycan... http://cornergrass.com/CGRTsuspension/

    Talk to Lee. He did my suspension on the 450 and will do my stretch on the 990 this winter. He knows his stuff and worked magic on my 450. I absolutely love it now and hated how stiff Pro-Action had it. Like night and day really.
  11. Shibby!

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    Suspension is very rider opinion dependant.

    Everybody likes something different. Often what some people think is firm/harsh works better for faster riders, where the soft suspension holds back faster riders, etc.

    Pro Action did my dirt bike, and although I've adjusted it A LOT from where it was handed over, I have found a sweet spot where it's firm and responsive, yet absorbs what it should. It's reactive without being harsh, playful without being a worn out couch. I just have some fine tuning with shock preload as it likes to wheelie too much in hill climbs and out of corners when sitting.

    On my XRR, I did the work myself but being that I use it for dual sporting mostly, it's set-up softer. It rails rock sections and river rock amazingly well, but it falls off with missing responsiveness and slower reactions. I wanted it to absorb washboard and potholes without losing fillings.

    Everything has a purpose. I'd ask WHAT you want, and then see what the modifier provides, or willing to provide. What some say is great, others find issues.

    What I do believe is lighter fluid is better. It changes viscosity less with temperature. Plenty of people wouldn't notice this. I feel it a lot on my dirt bike, but much, much less on my XRR, which runs 2.5w oil.

    Look at viscosity charts and you'll see that thicker oil all tapers off much, much closer to the thinner oil's original and final ratings.
  12. Beema Killa

    Beema Killa Beema Killa

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    Just got a quote from Konflict in the states a couple of weeks ago to stretch to 300mm front and back. All in $1500. Gonna pull the trigger and ship it off while I'm on vacation overseas in February. He does a tonne of 950/990's for racers. Once it's set up, I'll get service done more locally, but I'm not sure there's a shop nearby with enough experience with the 990's suspension(especially one that actually gets used aggressively and off highway) to spend over a grand and HOPE it's how I want it. I know a few people in BC and the US who swear by him for their 950/990 suspensions.
  13. Roscodon

    Roscodon n00b

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    Does anybody have some info on shipping a bike to Africa? I'm looking at a job in Zambia and would love to take th XR.
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  15. tokenboy

    tokenboy Gnirly Adventurer

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    I relocated to North Africa (Tunisia) 4 years ago for work from Calgary and brought my 990 Adventure with me.

    For the entire relocation I used MI Group and they were fantastic. I dropped the 990 off at their base in the NE and they built an extremely robust crate around it and had it put into a container with the rest of the stuff being shipped.

    Great company to deal with. I think my total relocation (pack, move, unpack) was about $7-8k including sea freight for the bike. This was a corporate thing that i didn't pay for.

  16. kaptinkaos

    kaptinkaos Just some nOOb

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    I mean "S" height actually. 265mm. I've also been eyeballing the new Ohlins setup at 277mm... :) It's $1500-2000 no matter which way you go.

    Yes, suspension IS very rider dependent, but I do know that Pro-Action specializes in MX setups where as most of us are looking for a more plush, dual-sporty ride that is less like riding two pogo sticks in the woods... lol! The valving Pro-Action uses is VERY restrictive compared to Super Plush or CGRT's. I'm just weighing in with my first hand knowledge of both suspensions and how they worked for my riding. I'm not Mark Coma, but I ain't no slouch and I certainly find the rev limiter when space allows it. The only real drawback I have seen to more plush is the inability to take big hits ie. 20 foot drops at 60mph. I don't take my bike to the track much and prefer the challenge of terrain I don't know and can't control.

    Has the suspension worked for me and how I ride? Absolutely. Would I recommend Pro-Action? Yes, but not to someone looking for an enduro setup. If anyone wants to feel what a LOT of plush is like and weighs near what I weight (160-170 without gear) feel free to ride my bike when the roads are dry AFTER I get back from Baja in January, lol!

    I disagree on your opinions on fluid though... In a straight shock/non valved system, yes, fluid weight is key to mastering bound, rebound and damping. In valved systems shimmed and sprung for a specific weight oil weight is pretty much set in stone. To vary parameters I would try 5ml more or less than the amount in the shock before I changed the weight of the oil.

    Be careful about too much travel man. 300mm is a lot for those WP's. I've done a lot of research into that and without completely new tubes that are longer (not just the shafts) you won't have very much overlap on the bushing when it's at full stroke. That means that there's a chance the shock could buckle when taking a big hit from full extension. Ohlins is 277mm and I believe R is 245 and S is 265mm. Any of those is plenty unless you're planning to take it to Dakar and have $500k in sponsoring behind you, lol! My choices for the stretch would be CGRT or SuperPlush. I think I'm going to get Lee to do mine to "S" @ 265mm cause he's local, a very good dude, still actually races enduro and did a fantastic job on my 450's WP's.
  17. Canadian_Bacon

    Canadian_Bacon Been here awhile

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    Let us know how it works out. I'm going to be re-valving my 690 next season.


  18. Shibby!

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    By dirt bike I meant my bush bike. KTM 250XC. I ride mostly bush here but come spring and fall I do 1-1.5 hour motos at Wild Rose to keep in shape. Fill gas, run till empty. My suspension will do both quite well. As stated I like it on the firm, reactive side. There's so much feedback in suspension I hate to lose that. On my XRR (agressive dual sport), I went softer and it's somewhat "go with the flow" on the single track. Floats over rough stuff, but feeling and responsiveness is definitely lacking. It's a decision on what people want. A sloppy couch is comforting to sit down over the rough stuff, but is sitting what you should, or want to be doing?

    How do you raise or lower fluid level in your shock? Did you mean your forks? Shocks have purged air..

    Valving is not just that. Set in stone. Viscocity changes. Moreso with thicker fluids. Hence why I said a thin oil keeps more consistant viscosity over temp ranges. I notice all the time when I jump on a bike the suspension isn't nearly as good as after 15min -1/2 hour of hamering on it. Even a trail stop cools the oil enough for me to notice it once we get rolling again. I've learnt to roll into it slowly because of this. Most accidents happen after trail stops. I firmly believe this plays a part, along with being sloppy and having lost flow.

    Both shocks and forks have valving... That valving controls the rebound/compression. By changing viscosity in the oil with temperature it changes the valving resistance. When forcing oil through small shim stacks and holes, it gets hot quick.

    I can see having a softer, heavier bike would be comforting, but it may not be what everybody wants.
  19. kaptinkaos

    kaptinkaos Just some nOOb

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    Without jacking this thread into a suspension argument... I'll restate what you said. It's what the rider prefers. You like it firm. I don't know many people who prefer riding around with their teeth clacking together, nor do I know many pro enduro guys who ride with a stiff setup.

    Ask anyone I ride with. I do not sit down when single-tracking or woods riding and not often on faster open stuff unless I'm pounding up a super steep line and need the traction. None of my bikes are sloppy couches or comforting. In fact, I tear my bikes apart and rebuild them into exactly what suits me and my riding. Plush doesn't steal responsiveness and I never told anyone to sit down and ride... I think you're taking what I'm saying about a plush setup completely the wrong way.

    Yes, raise and lower the fluid level in your forks. Shock is a different story. You can play with pressure in the rear shock to an extent, but setting your preload correctly and possibly trying a progression spring will do wonders to a mostly stock setup.

    To highlight a point you brought up... Yes, oil gets hot when going through small holes. Larger valving helps prevent the oil from getting too hot plus it allows the oil to not shear and break down nearly as fast. This leads to a more consistent feel and a setup that I feel is more suited to non-MX/Enduro riding. A lighter weight oil will shear much faster and break down much faster than a heavier one. ie. 5wt oil will generally take twice as much abuse than 2.5wt. It's why most people run lighter weight oil in vehicles in the winter (5w30 instead of 10w30). The valves in "plush" setups are usually about twice as large as in MX setups and in CGRT's case they are oval also. This allows for a broader range of adjustment for less aggressive situations. Sure, it's not going to work for riding the Dakar most likely, but who rides that hard in Waiporous? McLean? There are no 25ft tabletops out there. No 100mph 2 hour stretches of dunes with boulders. There are no triples and doubles and long fast whoop sections. Maybe your opinion on what enduro/dual sporting is is different from mine, but enjoying the ride is tantamount to being the fastest, most aggressive winner out there for me.

    Valving is just that when you're out on a ride. It IS set in stone unless you know of a way to remove your forks, change shims, change valves all while riding? Add to that that the valve orifice won't change unless you increase it or decrease it and yeah, it's pretty stony. A rider needs a baseline before you can tweak. As you stated earlier, with your Pro-Action setup you adjusted it a LOT from where Pro-Action gave it to you. I haven't touched a darn thing on mine after I got the boingers back from Lee at CornerGrass. Put'em on, tighten them up and go. Been charmed with how amazing it is since. Of course, this was sent to him after I had a Pro-Action setup... which I could not find any setting which even came close to what I desired in a suspension. It's just my two cents, but you seem to be shooting down something that is proven to work for someone? SuperPlush uses the same valving as CGRT and so does Konflict. The Ohlins stuff also uses big bore valves to achieve plush without losing too much performance. I'm just saying there's other options out there than Pro-Action... coming from a guy who had a setup done by them. I'm just happy I have finally found a suspension tuner who listened to my needs and fully delivered.
  20. kaptinkaos

    kaptinkaos Just some nOOb

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    Just one other thing to mention too... Sag is almost as important as having the suspension properly set up. It makes a world of difference!

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