What are you on RG? The goal of this fruitless discussion is to find some meaningful specs so that those of us that are interested in performance cams can compare the cams available without buying every one of them. I am very interested in performance cams for one. Motivation? Where do you guys get off? I know: WAY back. Some of us here have reported buying a number of these cams or even timing dozens of them. Surely someone has called for the cam's specs with a check point or has done enough cams to figure out a check point? The effort to report their findings here would be minimal indeed. Otherwise, get off my back for pointing out that those specs are just about useless for comparison or setup without a check point. I don't have very much cam experience but I do know enough to start at the beginning. And it's giving a bunch of you guys a headache? To the point of trying to make up why I am trying to find some meaningful cam specs other than finding some meaningful specs? :huh I have already emailed them and got the same stuff everyone has already seen. Call them? You are in the same country and already have some of their cams! But first you need to understand why and how specs with a check point are essential before you can meaningfully ask for them. That I have TRIED to explain and what do I get in return? This crap!