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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Walub, Nov 29, 2006.
If the guy is dumb enough to plop his tent down in someone's front yard, then he deserves to be charged with trespass. But a woodlot is not improved, so he's on pretty solid ground there.
No offense to the people who conduct the hunter safety courses; they are hard-working, well intentioned people. But they are not DEC employees and at times misinform their students. To say that any property that is improved is considered "posted and private" is inaccurate. True, it is illegal to trespass on such property, but for property to be considered "posted" involves the erection of signs.
And unless I misunderstand the definition of the word "literally," not every parcel of property in New York is posted. I can take you to thousands of acres of private land that are not posted, and are "unimproved, unused and unfenced," which means you can't be charged with trespassing on them unless someone serves notice to you that you are not allowed on the property.
And the ECOs wear green uniforms, not blue. I know, I work with them.
EDIT: From Section 140.00(5) of the New York State Penal Law - "A person who enters or remains upon unimproved and apparently unused land, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders, does so with license and privilege unless notice against trespass is personally communicated to him by the owner of such land or other authorized person, or unless such notice is given by posting in a conspicuous manner."
I'd use National Forest campgrounds. When you decide on your route, look for NFS campsites here: http://www.fs.fed.us/
Out West you might try BLM land. http://www.blm.gov/nhp/index.htm
The advise of "late-in, early-out" can get you by in lots of places!
When I was 16 a friend and I rode my 1967 Honda CL77 from Cincinnati to Myrtle Beach, SC, then Boone, NC, then Atlanta, GA. A total of 6 weeks riding around the South. We didn't pay for even one nights camping. We probably "camped" a total of 15 nights, mostly at rest areas, by tieing a tarp over a picnic table and sleeping underneath (and then scraping the baked beans and deviled eggs off our sleeping bags in the morning). There were only two nights that we were bothered: once in the SC mountains when a state trooper got on his loudspeaker and told us to be gone by 7am, and and once when a Mrtle Beach officer told us we couldn't sleep on the beach, but it was ok to sleep in our car on the beach(Yes sir, officer!)
Nowadays, I'm more concerned, for my self and my main riding partner my wife, with comfort, safety, and hygene. So I tend to stay at places that have showers and electric ( my wife brings an electric heater for the tent!)
If anyone on this board needs to travel cheap, they should check out the ADV map, and check with other members there for camp space.
If ADV Riders are running through Santa Fe/NM or northern New Mexico they're welcome to crash at my place. One empty bedromm plus a long couch. Only requirements are a tolerance for eccentric cats and no smoking inside. I make a mean Margarita. PM if close by. Room in the garage to work on bikes if I shift things around a bit...
My family was taking a vacation (we drove), and it was getting late, so we decided to set up near the road. In the morning, when we went back up to the road, we realized our tent was pitched in the middle of a runaway truck ramp.
Between Winnipeg and Las Vegas, there is probably more National Forest, BLM and state public land than private land once you get past the plains. You can basically camp anywhere you damn well please on non-National Park or Monument public land. There may be fire restrictions, but generally you can camp anywhere you want on National Forest or BLM land and most state public lands.
I have spent most of a lifetime camping out in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and Utah. Upscale campsites include Natinal Park Service and National Forest campsites, they cost $$. Then, for stealth camping try
any of the suggestions mentioned, side roads, etc. Mostly I don't see anyone
and am not bothered. The places where I HAVE been bothered are places like
parks near towns that allow camping but have no on site camp host. Kids from town hit these places to raise hell sometimes.
Once I was camped near Moab, Utah. Took a side road, then another side road, then a fainter road, etc. Set up camp off the faint dirt track. About 4
am this jeep roars by going about 60mph ! No harm but I am glad I didn't
camp on the dirt track.
Another time in a forest service campground in Colorado woke up to noise sounding like gunshots a few campsites down. About midnight. Loaded up my pistol, quietly packed up in the dark, and pulled out. Called the sherriff in the nearest town. Turns out it was kids shooting off cherry bombs.
Except for the above just no problems in hundreds of nights camping. Have a great trip.
So do you guys worry about rattlesnakes when camping out in the desert? Like at night when nature calls. Just wondering, and yeah I don't like snakes.
Well, especially setting camp in the desert, you're gonna encounter all sorts of creepy crawlers; some with legs, and some without.
Snakes in the desert are a concern. But they are fairly uncommon. They like warm, but not too hot weather. They are out at night in the summer because daytime temps are high then. Use a flashlight and watch where you step. Never had any problem with snakes like getting in a sleeping bag, but with a tent and zipper rainlfly enterance should be fine. Also its usually too cool in winter for snakes in most places, though you might see them sunning on a warm rock farther south like in Southern Ariz.
Hiking most places in the desert in summer I might see a rattlesnake once in
four-five days of hiking. Also check boots before putting them on first thing
in the morning. Lore has it that scorpions can get in boots though this has never happened to me. Also if boots are in the enclosed tent (fly zipped) nothing will likely get in them.
My wife and I have camped around the west (mostly arizona). I've never had a problem in National Forest or BLM lands. Find a quiet place and enjoy.
In this part of the world you need to be careful on the Indian Reservations. They have their own rules and "due process" does not apply. Check with the locals before you pitch your tent without a permit.
Have a great trip.
I'm a newbie here and if anyone has already put this together then let me know but don't you guys/girls think it would be a good idea to put an ADVRiders Directory together for just such a purpose as this thread is revealing? I understand alot of people like the "stealth camping" but after a few days if you needed a shower and a warm meal it might make sense to contact fellow ADVRiders for some floor space. Whaddaya think?
Don't forget about the "islands" or wide tree covered medians on the interstates. Often have dirt access roads through them. But, if you use them get hid if you are going to have a fire. Troopers tend to "hide" and do reports in these little hide-a-ways.
Tent space list
I always heard it called "boondocking". This may be of some help: http://www.boondocking.org/
In Arkansas, any land with a fence adequate for livestock is considered "posted". I was under the impression this was common among other states. And as a landowner I heartily approve. (Not that I or most people I know would likely prosecute anyone who was otherwise minding their manners.)
Thanks for that link. The site is good and has several links to sites like it that have all kinds of info. Does anyone know of a website that has a map of all the National Forest or BLM on it. Would be great if there was a big map of all the states that you could drill down on. MS Streets and Trips has National forests and grass lands but I don't think it shows BLM area's.
Seems a lot of folks here don't know about the Advrider "Tentspace" list.
Go to the "Upcoming" forum. The "Tentspace List" is a sticky on the first page. Something like 300 Advriders offering places to stay. Who could ask for anything more?
And how about putting your place on there?
Spent many nights sleeping on a picnic table in a rest stop. Never had any one hassle me either.
I have done many nights along side the road. Most small towns in the midwest have parks that allow camping. Most have water and some even have power hook-up. I have never been bothered.