Can one be both ATGATT and Pirate?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by blk-betty, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    I agree with both you and lemieuxmc, if you can't get the bike around a track without TC at a fairly good clip then you need to spend some more time learning throttle control. However, that doesn't negate the fact that the limiting factor on modern bikes in terms of acceleration is the contact patch of the rear wheel. Without TC you won't be able to wring the most out of a machine because the human nervous system simply can't match the telemetry gathering and reaction speeds of a computer.

    Perhaps an example he can relate to a little better is that Marine helo drivers simply can't effectively pilot a CH-46 or V-22 to maximum performance without the flight computer, the control inputs required to do so are simply needed too fast and too complex for humans to perform them to maximum potential. Does this mean CH-46(47 for you hookers in the Army and Airforce) and V-22 pilots are inferior or are using a crutch? No, they are simply using all the tools available to complete the mission with maximum effectiveness. Piloting a high performance motorcycle around a track at the threshold of traction is no different.
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  2. RMZMZM

    RMZMZM Not adventurous

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    Do I perceive different levels of risk for different types of riding?

    Yes, but not based on the type of motorcycle (cruiser, vs chopper, vs sport bike). The dangers at 60 mph in an uncontrolled environment are pretty close to the same for each type of motorcycle.

    To me, the level of risk has more to do with the rider and the environment. Smart riders will select the proper machine and safety equipment for their intended purposes.

    Riders with less knowledge will either improve their knowledge or improve the gene pool.
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  3. klaviator

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    Yeah they're using a crutch. At least they're not as bad as those fighter jocks who can't even land on a carrier without using a tail hook.


    :lol3:lol3
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  4. IheartmyNx

    IheartmyNx Ihave2draft

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    Oh, excuse meeee!

    Are you saying Harrier "Jocks" are better than F14-18 and any other fixed wing aircraft capable of landing on a United States Aircraft Carrier?


    :ear
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  5. klaviator

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    I thought the :lol3:lol3 would make it obvious I was joking.

    By VxZeroKnots screen name, I'm guessing he might be a helo pilot and would get the joke.


    And for your information, the F-14 is no longer in service. Too bad, it was an awesome aircraft. I had the opportunity to watch them launch off a carrier and also to see one do a low level supersonic pass right over the carrier.
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  6. señormoto

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    Personally I dress for the potential crash, hence ATGATT. It's not about a look, the feel, or anything else - it's about not going to the ER again. People that say otherwise just haven't had a big enough accident to scare them into choosing the sane option of body armor.
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  7. VxZeroKnots

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    I thought it was clever. And yes while I don't always fly, when I do I take off vertically. Stay classy my friends.
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  8. duck

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    Not true. I ride my K1100LT without a helmet because it's an awesome bike for that and provides great protection from the wind/bugs. (A few bugs sneak over the windscreen but a bandanna on the forehead takes care of that.) I wouldn't ride any of my other bike without a FF helmet because of the wind/bugs.

    The funny thing is that in general nobody talks to to me when I ride it without a helmet. The BMW riders are too good to talk to someone who doesn't have a helmet on (ROFLMAO) and the other branders don't like talking to Beemer owners anyhow. Usually the only guys who BS with me are older dudes on Harleys who most likely have hundreds of thousands of miles under their belt. They don't seem to give a shit what I'm wearing/riding nor do I care about their choice of ride/gear.
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  9. lemieuxmc

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    I think you get it. Racing classes that allow DTC and ABS are biased toward the ability of the manufacturer to create a more complex (yet faster) racer. They then have a marketable technology for the squid market; Hey kids, can't handle a 150 hp bike without landing on your ass? The new KamayasondaBM XYR1000zrr has DTC and ABS that will let you ride much faster than that old codger on the Norton Commando!

    Your example of the V-22 or other high performance aircraft is valid, but only in a very limited, high value situation. The Marines and Army would be much better served operationally by having lots of modern production 46/47's with updated technology rather than the relatively few V-22's that they have available.

    One of the greatest attractions of motorcycles is that they offer relatively high performance with a minimal level of complication and expense.

    Say... are you a turtle? :wink:
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  10. Daddyo

    Daddyo Been here awhile

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    Extrapolating "one" personal experience of "yours", and applying it onto the entire moto world, is a naive, egotistical and narrow visioned outlook on the motorcycling planet.
    Kind of like a little kid who burned his hand on the stove and now won't go in the kitchen without a welding hood, leathers and Tillman 850 gloves.


    DO
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  11. IheartmyNx

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    So was I :thumb


    ... literally:lol3
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  12. señormoto

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    They fooled you. The fashion designers are mostly gay men. So you can blame them for trying to make all males more metro. Women just follow the fashion trends set by the gay men. :lol3
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  13. kpt4321

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    Right! The only reason they use traction control is to sell it to squids!

    Oh, check it out, the guy is also an expert on the tactics of military equipment!

    In the end, you're just another ADVRider with a garage full of unexciting bikes and no racing experience, who somehow is more knowledgeable than the professionals, and feels it is their responsibility to talk big like they know what's best and right for everyone else. You've ridden a lot of 150+ horsepower bikes around a track, presumably, given how much you know about them?
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  14. IheartmyNx

    IheartmyNx Ihave2draft

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    And so Newt can legally make another couple million...


    Gee... If I can get this law to pass, think of all those millions of motorbikes that will have to have them...

    Now if only my stock broker knew who makes those...
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  15. blk-betty

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    As the OP, I see no conflict of interest either and did not intent to show that the engineer was inconsistent.

    The thread was started as a thought provoking exercise. I often dress similar to the engineer based on the style of bike I ride and according to Jim I'm a poser. I'm fine with that, I know the risks and fully accept them.

    What I can't seem to so readily accept, is how many people (on this forum) that share my passion for motorcycles, are so quick to criticize and condemn those of us that ride with minimal gear, ride cruisers, or ride with louder than stock aftermarket exhaust. We are constantly referred to asshats, and again I could less.

    I did however found it ironic that a top engineer for a brand which is revered by the intelligentsia likes to occasionally ride a open piped cruiser with no gear and without the context of who he is or where he works would likely be labeled a poser and I wondered if others saw the irony.

    In defense of the members here, you guys have been fairly consistent in that some say wear and ride and what you want and others claim poser if one wears a particular "costume".
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  16. blk-betty

    blk-betty bam-a-lam

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    So you believe the engineer in the interview to be either not a smart rider, or a rider with less knowledge?

    Why can't he just be a guy that likes to take risks, like the mountain climber, skydiver or whitewaer kayaker? Isn't that what a lot or motorcycling is about.....risks vs. rewards?
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  17. JimVonBaden

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    But you are not matching the bike to the gear, or lack of for fashion, you are doing it for practical reasons. Apples to oranges.

    Jim :brow
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  18. lemieuxmc

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    www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1666282,00.html

    V-22 $67 million a piece in 2010 after billions in development costs.

    CH 47 $35 million a piece in 2008 after nearly 50 years of amortization of development costs. Bell/Textron pitched a new composite bodied, fly by wire, improved power plant version as an alternative to the V-22.

    Some things are drastically improved by the application of electronic/computer technology. Some things reach their ultimate potential at a lower level of technological development. A Marine with a Ka-Bar is a lot more effective than Woody Allen with a photon laser blaster.

    Kenny Roberts on an RD 350 would probably leave most guys far behind on The Dragon even if they were riding the latest 1000cc techno rocket.

    A man has to know his limitations, maybe you will develop the judgement to go with that big attitude some day.
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  19. IheartmyNx

    IheartmyNx Ihave2draft

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    Just one more dig and I swear I'm done...

    Yeah, but sadly, that's illegal. :-(

    In Tennessee anyway...


    We'll make sure we can sell you a 150hp motorcycle tho...
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  20. windmill

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    Not disagreeing with what you saying, just something to think about,

    I am a professional CDL driver, and I feel the best way to "let" a faster rider pass is to do nothing unless necessary, yet you disagree.

    A persons opinion is built on experiences from their perspective. there are questions like this one where there isn't one right answer for everyone.