Can this newbie be saved...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Trophy Mike, Sep 27, 2009.

  1. xcgates

    xcgates Whaaa?

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    So has she broken 5k yet?

    (I don't have the patience to read through all her writings.)

    ::EDIT:: Saw TrophyMike's post on page 3(?) where she talked about reaching 10k. By that point one would think anyone would be competent with a vehicle. Lord, I only have 20k on my car in 3 years, and something between 5 and 6k on my bike. And at least with the car, I am more than comfortable if I find myself sliding sideways in a snowstorm. I suppose I'm resonably competent on the bike, though I'd still like to get at least one trackday down. Trackdays really helped with my ability to drive a car. If nothing else it gave me the sense of how fast things go from me grinning to not having time to say OH S***!!!
  2. roadhamr

    roadhamr Been here awhile

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    i think she has 15000kms on the bike now and she is still gripping the bars like they are snickers and someone is trying to steal them. but she has managed right and left turns but she still has to write herself a mental essay to get through it all.
    i dont know if she is kidding or exagerating but if it is half true she should hang up her helmet and get back her bingo dobbers.
  3. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    Nah. I'm thinking she just needs more qualified instruction and practice drills on a closed course while working her way GRADUALLY to a big bike with awkward handling...300lb motard to 400lb standard to 500lb cruiser and so on.
  4. RiDR

    RiDR The Himalayan what?

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    Good idea... does harley offer a motard or standard? doubt she'd be seen on a jap bike. Over 'n Out, it's me Suzuki Rider :lol3
  5. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    She does not seem to be bright enough to want a bike that actually goes, stops & turns well... :1drinkNot saying she is stupid, Just ignorant.
  6. roadhamr

    roadhamr Been here awhile

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    also she is limited to what she can look at because she is vertically challenged by the looks of it as well as being as round as she is tall. i am not saying she is fat but..... ok i am saying she is fat because she is fat and short. so physically she has a number fo strikes against her. everything gets harder to do as we age and when we fall out of reasonable physical condition it is even harder.
  7. ADVChic

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    Okay - FWIW - IMHO Harley's are not a beginners bike.

    She needs to ride a bike that has a low center of gravity and a shorter wheelbase so she can learn to properly lean the bike and counter-steer.

    I also got bored reading the first post - so I don't know what size she is but I would recommend looking for either a Buell Blast or Lighting depending upon her leg length. She can learn to ride either of these bikes properly (leaning, counter-steering, etc.) and then progress to the bike that she wants.

    I have known so many women riders that have started on Harley's and developed bad habits, mostly not leaning in the turns and trying to 'steer' the bike like a car. This almost ALWAYS results in a wreck on a curve. I have been riding 3-years and have put down 10k miles. I have ridden Sportsters, Dyna Street Glide, V-Rods, etc. on Harley demo's and would not recommend trying to learn to ride on one.

    Just my two cents from my personal experience.
  8. ADVChic

    ADVChic Adventurer

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    Isn't that all Harley Riders? I don't like to generalize, but most - not all - Harley riders ride their bikes like they drive a car. They steer instead of lean and counter-steer. They go left of center when possible on curves and for good measure brake in the apex. They do the inside / outside technique completely backwards.

    We live close to some great twisties and I HATE getting behind them!
  9. roadhamr

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    i dont think you can generalize and say all harley riders do that. i have been on demo rides with guys who have owned nothing but and been impressed with their skills. i was at a bike rodeo last year had a blast and saw some very good riding skills displayed. one guy in particular on a dresser was an excellent rider especially at slow speeds. i ran demos at the dealership i worked at and i have seen plenty of japanese bike riders who dont know how to ride either. they took courses and passed and imho had no real riding skills at all. showed fear and intimidation and steered through corners like a car. there are alot more poor riders out there than you can imagine and they ride all kinds of bikes so it isnt fair to generalize like that.
  10. ADVChic

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    I'm with you, and I called out and qualified my generalization.

    My husband and I ride with a guy that rides a fully dressed out Harley Electra Glide like its a sport bike. We love riding with him, and we have seen other good Harley riders on the roads. What I am saying is as a brand-group of riders, in my personal experience at least 80% tend to ride with potentially dangerous bad habits. It's no different than saying 80% or more of BMW riders wear full gear.
  11. Trophy Mike

    Trophy Mike w/extreme prejudice

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    You are both correct except the generalization really applies to most new riders on too big machines with little or no training (self-training even worse) who define motorcycling as a lifestyle first and foremost rather than a skill.
  12. RiDR

    RiDR The Himalayan what?

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    Whaddya mean self training even worse? I learned from riding dirt bikes at the school of hard knocks :D and the skills I picked up from all those years translated to the street like it was nobody's business.
    I doubt any formal training would elevate a rider to the kind of level that can only be acquired from riding offroad... unless of course track days are thrown into the mix.
  13. Trophy Mike

    Trophy Mike w/extreme prejudice

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    Again was referring to most self-trained street riders with very little or no experience starting out on full-sized machines. Had these types in my experienced-rider MSF classes and a good number could not perform maneuvers even from the basic course. Dirt riders, especially those who started out young, were an exception and most often ahead of the curve.
  14. roadhamr

    roadhamr Been here awhile

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    i was self taught on the street with a kz1000 as the first bike i ever owned. after i crashed it and it was wriitten off i got a kz 750l3 which was a much better bike. i had 2 kz650's after that and then a triumph bonieville and a tiger. i moved on to 3 different zx7's a gsxr750, a zx9, and then i started to ride cruisers and had demo bikes from the dealerships i worked at and stopped crashing. i was definitly self taught and i have some but not much really intense off road riding. i have spent years examining my riding techniques and trying to do better watching others and reading books talking to other very experienced riders. my biggest advantage over harleyryder is when i started i was young strong and very athletic. i could compensate what i lacked in skill most times with my athleticism. she is not in that point in her life. her confidence will never grow because she will never be able to be in control. the bike is simply too much for her.
  15. Trophy Mike

    Trophy Mike w/extreme prejudice

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    Think VFR_firefly hit it
  16. ADVChic

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    Well said Mike
  17. RForestR

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    Can't say that I have read this all the way through...perhaps enough to get the gist of it.
    I suspect she's typical of many new riders...they have a few friends with bikes, check out the magazines or one of the very few bike shows on Speed (which typically cater to cruiser riding...with the exception of racing, clearly not something most can aspire to) and eventually she got "the bug"

    It's one thing to dream about your fantasy bike, quite another to go out and get it, and then suddenly realize that it's waaayyy too much for your skill. Happens all the time, as many here have pointed out.

    Sure, she probably shoulda started out on a blast, or a sporty, since she clearly had Harley on the brain judging by her circle and her pre-disposition to the brand.

    We all wish we could go out and get "what we want" we are after all, a comsumerist, instant-gratification society.

    I suspect most riders here (myself included) started out in our pre-teens on dirt bikes on the backroads and other out of the way places so we have the luxury of hindsight when commenting on this new rider. Do folks like her scare the hell out of me? Sure. Both for her sake and the riders around her. I just hope that whatever advice she is getting from her "crew" is sound, and I suspect, as suggested, that her trepidation has helped her get to 15k this year.

    I'm a firm believer in "It's not what you ride, it's the fact that you RIDE" and despite shortcomings, this lady is doing just that. Does she need some formal training..of course, but then ALL of us could use more training.

    The moment we start believing as riders that we are superior, is the moment that we take for granted our skill. A dangerous proposition for any of us.
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    Riding season is in full-swing up in Harley Ryders neck of the Great White North yet her blog shows no activity since June of last year. What has become of our Huge Heroine and her massive chromed-out sidekick, Barbiedoll? Could it be that she had an epiphany & bought something smaller to hone her riding skillz on?


    NEWSFLASH!!! This just in from YouTube - Reformed Pirate goes head over heels for Adventure Riding!

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  19. mhpr262

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    ouch...looks like the bike landed right on her face at the end.
  20. JimboX

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    I don't know, someone with enough self esteem to put their inabilities and difficulties out there on the 'net for all to read is kind of refreshing, compared to all the "kings of the hi-way" that regulary remind the whole world that they are the hottest shoe on the planet since J.S.. While I often enjoy most of the posters on this forum I wonder if this girl was someone we knew (a neighbor, sister, GF, etc) we would still find it necessary to call her a "dumb pirate bitch". I realize she made the horrific mistake of buying a bike that proves to some she's stupid, but, you know what, even though it's next to impossible for some of you to understand, there are people that like, ride, and get a lot of fun from Harley Davidsons. Imagine that. I get so sick of the 'everyone that owns a HD is a "pirate" ass clown jerk off. I've been active on this forum for months and months, and been riding street bikes since 1971 and I still don't know what the fuck a 'pirate' is? I guess it's someone who enjoys motorcycles in a different way then captain fucking safety on a hard panniered euopean step ladder wearing six colors of day glo reflective body armor. Here you have some youg woman enthusiastic enough about the begining of her love affair with motorcycles to put it out there for the world to see, and all we can do is shoot her puppy. Pretty damn fucking benevolent group are'nt we. Dumb pirate bitch asshole. let's hope she rides right under a 18 wheeler and the world will be better off. Another 'pirate' the hell out of the way to make room for the 'real' motorcyclists.