Can we join OC if we have spoked 19" X 17" wheels on our SM?

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  1. mcmann

    mcmann Motorcycle Maniac

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    Can we join OC if we update our SM with Canyon/Adventure spoked wheels?

    I sold my SE and got a SM because I was riding mostly street and was unhappy with the single front SE brake and no crash bar options etc.

    I miss Orange Crush . . . . And would be willing to update my SM with spoked wheels if I could return to OC etc.
    I understand Woodys is working on SM Canyon Dancers wheel sets.

    I have already converted my SM to SMT:

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    Here are a couple inmates that have gone to spoked 19" X 17" wheels on their SM:

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    For comparison(1190R) w/19" front wheel. I prefer my SM carbs over high-tech Gismo's
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    Locul even went for 21" and 18" wired wheels in an RC8 to get an entry. :D
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    Haha merry something for everyone. :D
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    Funny, that's my spoked SM sitting in the trees in the first post.

    Traditionallly, SM's and the like have always been banned over to the street thread, but with the new 1190 Adv standard on 19/17 wheels, I see very little difference between it and the SM on 19/17's.

    Bring it.
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  6. mcmann

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    Please confirm what you did on the front 19" hub: did you use the 990A hub/rotors with 5mm less bite in the SM calipers, or did you use a 690 SMC hub with spacers in between the rotors and hub. If so, what are the specs on the spacers?


    Nice bike! Looks like a KTM Off-Road V-Twin to me:
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    That was a stock 950 Adv. hub. I don't recall waht I did for rotor width spacing, but I made custom axle spacers and then used some little spacers under the stock SM non-foating calipers to make the stock SM rotors fit with full brake pad bite. As I recall, these spacers were just 3mm thick.

    So, stock 950 Adv. 19" wheel, stock 950SM brakes and rotors with some minor spacers.
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  8. mcmann

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    Thanks for the info . . .I though the 950SM rotor bolt pattern was diiferent than the 950A rotor.
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    Thats the handy thing with radial calipers. Only requires a quick swap of spacers and bolts to change disc size.
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    Nope. Same. Here is a picture thar shows the caliper spacers, just under the word Brembo.

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    And I remember now, the width of the SM rotor spacing was larger so I machined some full spacer rings for each rotor.
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    Any SM riders near Denver. Zach needs front hub specs: overall spacing, and also if the spacers are the same on both sides of the wheel, axle diameter, inside width between rotor's and rotor width.

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  12. Peanuts

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    They look like 950 Adv discs?
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    Hmm, they DO look like Adv discs! And since SM discs would have been flaoting, I think they must be.. But I remember spacing the calipers (and you can see the spacers in the pic), so the Adv. disc is bigger than the SM?

    I'll check...

    Yep, adv discs are 300mm and SM's are 305mm so know I honestly don't know. Damn my memory sucks.
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    Yes, SM rotor spacing is COMPLETELY different. Don't kno what I was thinking.
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    I can answer some of these questions, I have an unbuilt SM wheel in the garage that I can look at/measure tomorrow.

    Axles are the same diameter from the Adv to the SM because when I mounted SM wheeels to my Adv I used the stock Adv axle with a stock SM wheel. I can get other dimentions tomorrow, but as I recall the 2 spacers are completely different. Then again, we know about my memory...
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  16. mcmann

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    Looks like other caliper issues too:
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147616
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    I mounted a stock Adv. hub with 19" rim. I don't know what the lace is but the wheels were built by Buchanens. The stock calipers on the SM are fixed thus the need for the disc spacers to allow the discs to correctly hit the calipers. Unfortunately, the SM calipers are a very wide four piston design and while they cleared the stock thin mag wheels, they just barely rubbed the spokes on my Adv. wheels. Nothing horrible, but it did require attention.
    What I did was space out the calipers off the mounts with some custom washers and new caliper bolts (the spokes taper in to the center of the rim as you go away from the hub). The stock SM rotors are 310mm and the Adv. rotors are 305mm. That meant that after the new caliper spacers the rotors were not full depth in the calipers by about 5mm (2.5mm in reduced rotor diameter, 2.5mm in caliper spacer). In other words, not achieving full pad contact on the rotor. My thinking on this was 'no problem, it will decrease the sensitivity of the brakes some'. I stand by this and can tell you that the bike still has more brakes than is necessary for the D/S tire. Stoppies, no problem. Front wheel lock up on pavement, unfortunately no problem. I feel that I am careful enough to moderate my brake use and don't see this as an issue. I am now considering switching the Adv. wheels to 320mm discs from a 625smc type bike (which should have the same bolt pattern as the Adv.) which would put the rotors right back in the meat of the caliper pads.
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    I decided to buy a set of Adventure wheels attached to my buddies '06 950A . . . Just like the one I took to the top of Imogene summit below. I will keep my 17's on he SM for my play bike.

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    The bike I am picking up this Sunday . . . There is nothing like a KTM Adventure:

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    O.K. . . . I am OC legal again:

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  19. Mhassic

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    Cheers dudes!

    I have just bought me a Ktm 950 sm-06 and I have plans to fitt 19" and 17" wheels on it, did some of you have the specs for spacers so I can fitt the adv hubs on my bike?
    What about the brake disks, was ther a need to change them?
    The sad part is that the adv wheels cost they weight in gold here!
    Can understand the price compared to other spoked wheels.....
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    How did you get those Hand Guards on upside down on your SM?
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