Canada to Argentina 2010

Discussion in 'Epic Rides' started by MotoLara, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. BleiFuss

    BleiFuss Adventurer

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    This is not a "german" problem ! The problem is that they try a trip through south america with a modern engine and bad fuel support. All modern engines are designed to these new emission-laws. These low emissions are done by high compression ratios of the engine. If you use bad fuel with a large ammount of water to this engines than you will destroy them. If water gets vaporized it has about 1700 times the volume than as liquid. Everybody can imagine that the use of bad fuel (with too much water inside) caused a big Pressure that destroyed the piston-rings.
    If you travel on such places it is very comfortable to use a old engine or to get the software of the injection-computer adapted / reprogrammed to this conditions.
  2. Pete O Static

    Pete O Static Adventure Seeker

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    Well then I guess any bike with a modern engine has no business calling itself an "Adventure" bike then?

    I am absolutely stunned that BMW is denying any knowledge of a dealer performed remap, allowing the bike to run on reduced octane fuel when it is published right in the freaking owners manual! That is a blatant insult to ones intelligence and unfortunately, an indication that they have no real intention of helping.

    I wish you guys the very best and hope that your dealer back home may be able to get some action for you.
  3. BC Brian

    BC Brian Been here awhile

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  4. T O Double D

    T O Double D Pogue Mahone

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    Damn guys, I'm very sorry. Your story was a great read and you two are an inspiration to many. I really hope that you do another trip soon.

    Cheers!

    They did.
  5. BleiFuss

    BleiFuss Adventurer

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    Yep it says 91 Octane. This is still usual fuel. But i'm really sure if you ride trough south america it's about the same than to ride trough eastern europe. And in this case you must be prepared to drive fuel down to 75-80 Octane. And indeed it's true that all new "adventure bikes" suck because they are designed to drive with perfect fuel on a perfect highway. But it is possible to get these bikes adjusted to that bad fuel.
  6. BC Brian

    BC Brian Been here awhile

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    In Canada, regular Fuel is usually 87 ( Page above the spec page)
    Not sure what they consider regular fuel in CA and SA :)
    I guess 91 is regular fuel in Germany?
  7. Patrol

    Patrol VALE 46!

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    What if we start a thread here telling BMW / BMW Canada that we, their customers, are horrified by this and will make it our business to inform the Adv community of the terrible treatment of two BMW owners? Then email the whole thing to BMW Canada. Kind of a petition with plenty of "hey BMW, you suck" commentary for them to read and visualize how many potential buyers they are ostracizing by treating these two this way.
  8. BleiFuss

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    It was. Actually it is 95 and in this damned european union they ordered every state to use it as regular. This problem with bad fuel quality is known for a longer time in europe because they do optimize the power of the engine by using high compression ratios. There are different companies in europe who are spezialized to modify the engine to bad fuel qualities down to 75. But also a qualified dealer should be able to adjust the parameter-settings of the injection to run with lower compression. If you drive trough countries like Romania or Bulgaria you must be always aware that they sell you "mixed" fuel by adding more water inside.
  9. BC Brian

    BC Brian Been here awhile

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    Wikipedia shows RON rating 91 (in brochure) as equal to 87 AKI ( canada, USA)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

    So their remap should allow them to be able to expect to run 87 octane without any problems............
  10. GB

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    87 in Canada is 87, what is on the side of the road, from a plastic jug in south america? no one really knows.

    At any rate, Alberto didn't want this thread turning into a technical discussion... :(:
  11. mtw

    mtw n00b

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    By virtue of this thread, BMW Motorrad is going to receive a TON of bad publicity if they don't handle this properly. It seems to me they're punishing the people who are actually using the bikes the way they're intended (and marketed) to be used.

    Stay optimistic!
  12. thepackrat

    thepackrat i can ride that

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    I'm sorry to hear the verdict. That sucks big time. Hopefully they will come to their senses. I've been really enjoying your report, as I hope to do a similar ride next year, with a friend who's riding a F800gs as well. I guess I'll stick with my old DR650.
  13. BleiFuss

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    Since the first of January there is no longer RON 91 avaiable in Germany (and also other states of the EU). You must by RON 95 even if you're engine can stand more bad fuel. But this is not the problem, because RON 91 / RON 95 is still good fuel that a modern engine can handle. But it get's worse if you used bad fuel that's only about 80. If you read the description of this BMW-manual then you'll see that you can drive "even" 91. That's a joke / fake because they say in the same way that you can not use more bad fuel (like 80). It is only PR how to tell a customer that his bike is no longer designed for real adventure-rides. And this is valid for all Vendors like BMW , KTM, Yamaha , Honda and so on ....
    If you want to ride such places with a modern bike, than it is urgent to get your injection system adjusted to this bad fuel. I know that KTM do this but only if you order your bike with this "special" request. On the other hand this means more fuel consumption with regular fuel and less power. That's the point to think about a older dual-sport that never had this problems. In the end both of them will have the same fuel-consumption and the same power if you have modified the modern engine to run such bad fuel.
  14. MotoLara

    MotoLara ADV rider wannabe

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    +1
    Guys please post your tech comments HERE and leave this thread for 'ride report' material :lol3:lol3

    We appreciate your opinions but lets post on the proper threads.

    No 'malfunctioning F8GS' comments are more than welcome here :wink:
  15. MotoLara

    MotoLara ADV rider wannabe

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    Good news! :happay
    BMW Canada has stepped up and in particular Island BMW from Victoria.
    We got an email today from them saying 'engine will be covered under goodwill warranty by BMW Canada'

    I am sure they were well aware of the consequences of turning their backs on us. The ADV community's support surely helped.

    Today has been a rollercoaster of a day. All the way down...all the way up.
    We can't wait to get back on the road again :ricky.....:muutt.....:ricky to bring you more stories and photos for your leisure.

    Cheers fellow adventure riders :freaky
    Alberto.
  16. L.B.S.

    L.B.S. Long timer

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    Woohoo!!!:clap

    This is so great to hear! Wish you all the best, hope you can get back into the trip with the slightest continued hassle as possible:eek1

    :freaky

    -a fellow BC BMW rider:D
  17. Hockeydad

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    I ride a DR but great to hear the Island guys stepping up.
    Ride safe - cya on the island someday.
  18. MCP

    MCP Been here awhile

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    they did the right thing in supporting your claim.

    Party on:freaky


  19. achesley

    achesley Old Motorcyclist

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    :clap:clap:clap For your BMW Dealership
    :puke1:puke1:puke1 For BMW Germany
    Now, wondering what BMW USA would of done or is BMW North America together with the US and Canada?
    Anyway, so glad that a fix is on the way. Enjoying reading and seeing all the pictures of your trip. Thanks for all the work and time to share. :clap:clap:clap
  20. Robert-31320

    Robert-31320 Agent of Chaos

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    TWO THUMBS UP to your dealer!!

    Hope they get you on the road soon, waiting for more pictures!