Captain Jacks closed

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by COBob, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. Rodzilla

    Rodzilla Little short for a Stormtrooper

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    Perhaps we could charge a toll for use of the bridges and pay for the reroute of the motorized trail. I'm sure the horsey and hiker crowd would be more than willing to "pay into the system" like we have for decades. After all, they are just looking out for our best interest through all this.
  2. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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    Agreed.

    I highly doubt that any cameras were put in place.

    This does illustrate that the Other Side does watch this site and you need to be aware of that when posting. For example, a reply along the lines of "Make sure your license plate is covered with mud and you are wearing nondescript riding gear", would be entirely inappropriate.

    I'm sending a donation to COHVCO and/or TPA before the end of the year.
  3. RockyMtnScotsman

    RockyMtnScotsman Been here awhile

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    a la The Bridge of Death scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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  4. Rodzilla

    Rodzilla Little short for a Stormtrooper

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    I was thinking of having my ex wife go out there. Every bridge needs a troll living under it.

    But as long as you're going down that route, "African or European?"
  5. dirtydoug

    dirtydoug Been here awhile

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    if that is what a troll looks like....


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    im your man .............i mean..... TROLL


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  6. MeterPig

    MeterPig Meh

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    A nice guy like you? With an ex? Whoah.
  7. Geek

    Geek oot & aboot

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    Definitely potential :rofl

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  8. singletrackslayer

    singletrackslayer Legalize singletrack

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    This is a great idea!
  9. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    This situation has taken way more of my time this summer than I wish, and I'd like to take a few minutes to make sure a few facts are clear here. FWIW, I have been really impressed by the CPW, CSU, and FS personell involved. They are trying to do what is right... whether we agree with it or not, they take their duties seriously and deserve our respect for that.

    1) The long term outcome is not yet known. We are going through a long drawn out process, and the current temporary closure is one point along the way, not the end of the road.

    2) While the closure is clearly bad news on one level, it does accomplish something positive: the CBD has now settled, and the terms of the settlement (a temporary closure pending a study that was already well underway) is better than many outcomes that could be imagined. Now, we're on to the next stage of the process, and it may have fewer lawyers involved which I see as a good thing.

    3) There are clearly reroute options available that would be sustainable for OHV use, and avoid the points where the trail impacts the stream, for both the motorized (667) and non motorized (666) trails. I've hiked them, and these might be not only sustainable, but better riding...

    Our job is to make sure the Forest Service take these reroute options seriously (and I think they will). Our message must be: a) if the existing trail is not sustainable for OHV, it's also not sustainable for non-OHV. Most sediment runoff is a function of the layout of the trail, not the use of it. b) there are sustainable reroutes that the OHV community will help make possible. c) closure to just one group is not only unfair, it's also not a solution and we will not stand for it.

    4) This all costs money- we've paid for a lot of legal advice and trail assessments already. Please PLEASE consider making a donation to the TPA.

    http://coloradotpa.org/participate/donate.html

    All in all, I am still optimistic that we can wind up with a better outcome than we had before- a long term sustainable trail that I could reasonably hope to ride 50 years from now. We could also lose the trail permanently. Hard to know which way it will go... but your donations and your letters can help shift the scales.


    For those who consider riding a closed trail, please take note that we have something to lose here... and your actions will have an impact on the outcome. Not much of a worry now, but come next spring, the closure may still be in place and the temptation could be mighty.


    One last point, don't feed the trolls. Not only are they full of shit, they thrive on seeing you get wound up.
  10. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    Sigworthy
  11. wbunt

    wbunt Been here awhile

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    Thanks Ned for all your work !
  12. Pablo83

    Pablo83 Sleep, Wrench, Ride

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    Hi,

    As you know every year CMTRA applies for grants from the State OHV
    fund. Currently we have 2 application requests. One is called "Three
    District Single Track Maintenance". This is to pay for contract labor
    to do maintenance on single track trails in South Park and South Platte
    Ranger districts and some equipment requests. The other is called
    "Captain Jacks Trail 667 Rehabilation". This is a "contingency grant
    request" to cover labor and equipment needed to reroute Trail 667 off of
    Bear Creek. This grant assumes we are allowed to do this rerouting, we
    may not have the answer to this though in time for the grant to be
    approved but we are going to give it a try.


    Public comments are solicited for these grants and we would appreciate
    any favorable comments you could give for our grants. They are due by 31
    January via postal mail or email.


    This is the web address that discusses grant comments and where to send
    them to.

    http://www.parks.state.co.us/OHVsandSnowmobiles/OHVProgram/Grants/Pages/Grants.aspx



    [NOTE] Comments must include an original statement or suggestion and contain the full name and address of the person submitting the comment. Email comments to trails@state.co.us. Refer to the grant as "Captain Jacks Trail 667 Rehabilitation App"


    On this web page click on this address for access to all the
    applications


    http://parks.state.co.us/Trails/Grants/Pages/MotorizedGrantApplications.aspx

    Thanks,

    Steve Lang
  13. modette

    modette RMAR

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    How should the email look to them about the grant?
  14. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    There are a few critical points to make:

    - First, that the trail is a priority for you and others in the front range, and that it deserves the funding even though it has received a disproportionate share in recent years.

    - Second, that the temporary closure is exactly that, temporary, and decisions about the grant should be made in light of all available information, not with an assumption the trail will remain closed

    - Third, that this is an opportunity for the OHV community to show our willingness to work on habitat issues and that denying the grant would stand in the way of that.

    Finally, I think it's important just to get a good number of people commenting on the grant, so that they understand how important the trail is to so many of us.

    Thanks!
  15. Pablo83

    Pablo83 Sleep, Wrench, Ride

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    Comments must include an original statement or suggestion and contain the full name and address of the person submitting the comment. Email comments to trails@state.co.us. Refer to the grant as "Captain Jacks Trail 667 Rehabilitation App"

    When they say they want original statements they mean if you copy Ned's notes and send it to them they will disregard it, so read what Ned has to say, but use your own words in your memo.
  16. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    :thumb

    And add your own thoughts!
  17. modette

    modette RMAR

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    I did, and sent
  18. Pablo83

    Pablo83 Sleep, Wrench, Ride

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    I think I posted a while back that I would be at the January CMTRA meeting so I could introduce any newcomers to the club - well, the day after the meeting I realized I missed it, sorry.

    February's meeting is tomorrow night at Thunder and Buttons in Old Colorado City and I will be there if anyone else wants to come. 6:15 is you want to eat, 7:00 if you just want to join the meeting.

    Thunder and Buttons II
    2415 West Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80904
    (719) 447-9888
  19. Junglerot

    Junglerot Hodor!

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    Also, we now have online club registration on the CMTRA website here.
    I know we've had some complaints about our online presence in the past, and we're working on them. This is one huge step forward.
  20. Pablo83

    Pablo83 Sleep, Wrench, Ride

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    The monthly CMTRA meeting is tomorrow night and it sounds like there will be some decent information on Bear Creek.


    JOIN US
    (Please Renew Your Membership for 2013)


    What: CMTRA Monthly Club Meeting
    When: March 13th, 2013 (2nd Wednesday of the Month)
    6:15pm Social Dinner – 7pm Meeting – 8:30pm Close
    Where: Thunder and Buttons – 2415 West Colorado Ave – Old Colorado City



    Meeting Agenda

    • Social Dinner & Video
    • Welcome
    • Treasurers Report
    • Membership & Donation Updates—THANKS to all of the members at the February meeting for their donations to help fund the Bear Creek trail planning re-route work by Drew Stoll(Great Outdoors Consultants.com). At the meeting we collected $535.00 from members, with a generous match of $425.00 from Rick Dunagan & Family. Hats off to everybody! This puts us just that much closer to paying Drew in full.
    • Presentation by Drew Stoll-Great Outdoors Consultants.com, showing proposed trail re-routes.
    • On-going business—Round Table for Bear Creek/ Capt. Jacks re-route was held Monday 5pm-7pm. Bill Alspach will talk more about this.
    • Special THANKS to Dennis Heitzman for his help in getting our COHVCO memberships put into their system, they had quite a back log.
    • Club Trail Stewards:
    Updates on Land Issues


    Next Meeting: April 10th, 2013 See you Wednesday!