Captain Jacks closed

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by COBob, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. Hayduke

    Hayduke ///SAFETY THIRD/// Super Moderator

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    Same thing is happening all around Salida. Every time a mountain bike goes off trail, the BLM or FS puts it on the map. :lol3
  2. _CJ

    _CJ Retrogrouch

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    Having been involved in cutting the new Spring Creek trail from Gold Camp Rd to Columbine Trail, I can assure you it didn't just get illegally ridden and declared a trail. Years of planning, fund raising, and coordination, plus days of back breaking manual labor from people like myself were required.

    Is it possible those trails you're talking about also took years to develop, but you didn't know about it.
  3. Merfman

    Merfman Trustin' my cape...

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    I suppose it's possible but that wasn't the gist of the article I read about 4 years ago that claimed the trails were put in on the fly and later approved by the FS. I've been involved in building trails, putting on races, etc, you're preaching to the choir to what's involved, I'm aware. Hence my confusion on this particular point.
  4. modette

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    Yep, a joke that it takes 3+ years. Meanwhile Mt Herman Rd area I can show you where Mtn Bikers have made trails most are obvious being near the roads. FS does nothing to block them...but they keep trying to close the motorcycle single tracks that from what I been told by older people have been there for 30+ years not harming a thing.

    It comes down to out of sight out of mind, also if your silent like a bicycle, hike or horseback ride you are OKAY, damaging terrain is OKAY as the USFS sees it by those other groups. Again no one hears you so its not bad or wrong to do.

    I'm 100% against them worrying about some "illegal" single track so much that they go into an area and destroy it. Like they did in the 717 area to some of the old Enduro tracks to make them harder to find. The method they use is a lot worst then a handful of people using these "illegal" tracks.

    Illegal is a vague word when it comes to a lot of these single tracks. Illegal to who, the guy that for 50+ years has been riding them when no one cared and the USFS knew they were there!!! How is it illegal?

    Plenty of hiking social trails, but that is okay as its a silent activity.

    I guess we all become outlaws in 30 years :rofl
  5. MeterPig

    MeterPig Meh

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    Towards the end of my recent time on single track bikes, I started looking around and seeing a lot of trails not on "maps" which I imagine is what most old timers around here do anyway. It's getting pointless to clamor for the few single track trails left in the denver metro. Drive farther and ride all the single track you can handle that no map has. It's sad, but true.
  6. singletrackslayer

    singletrackslayer Legalize singletrack

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    Now if that were true, there would be a MTB trail in every drainage and have connectors for each.

    Oh wait, they do.
  7. Hayduke

    Hayduke ///SAFETY THIRD/// Super Moderator

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    Do they have to do ANYTHING to get a mountain bike trail designated as an official trail? It seems they pop up as fast as they can make signs! I'm happy for them; I think it's great that we have so many trails around here, but it takes an act of Congress to get a motorized one, it seems. I've sent a few emails asking about new motorized trails, but I don't even get a reply. :cry
  8. modette

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    Of course when E-Bikes become affordable then I guess we can all be "motorized" in a way and be legit.

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  9. _CJ

    _CJ Retrogrouch

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    How's that old saying go? Better to ask for forgiveness than permission?

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  10. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    There is some great news in the air- the FS has revised the closure order and we now have a loop to ride in our old trail system! I learned about it today, dropped everything and went up to do the loop tonight, it's as awesome as ever.

    http://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/psicc/alerts-notices/?aid=19790

    Basically, we can access pipeline from the top/ Frostys (NOT from the bottom/ Jones!), cross over and go up "Runs down fast", and come back out to Frosty's (or the reverse of this loop). When combined with the Rosa saddle, there's at least something worthwhile to ride up there.

    This is an example of the FS doing the right thing in the face of opposition- the CBD threatened to sue again if they opened it, and they did anyway. Obviously, we are looking for a better solution in the long run, but in the meantime, it is a step in the right direction, and I for one appreciate that very much.

    HERE IS THE IMPORTANT THING: IF THERE ARE MOTO TRACKS IN BEAR CREEK, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER LAW SUIT AND WE COULD LOSE EVERYTHING. We will lose any credibility we have built, and the forest will say they have no choice but to close down the whole system.

    There are some trees down across the trail at the junctions blocking the closed part. Please leave them there, obviously people can get around if they decide to but hopefully it will make them think twice, and keep the honest people honest.

    Please remember that as tempting as it might be, we are only at an interim step and going beyond the boundaries into Bear Creek will set us up for long term failure. Please tell your friends, your customers, anyone you know who rides, that the Bear Creek Drainage (Captain Jacks, Jones Park, 667) must stay off limits.
  11. Dozer Dillon

    Dozer Dillon Been here awhile

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    Ned,

    Thanks for the update. I'll post it over on KTMTalk for you.:clap
  12. Toby-CO

    Toby-CO Noob is accurate

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    Which is the best map to buy to ride this trial network?
  13. _CJ

    _CJ Retrogrouch

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    Is there an on-line map available that shows the area/loop that's been re-opened?

    :ear
  14. 602

    602 Been here awhile

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    Yes. Follow the link that Ned posted to see a trail map.
  15. Pablo83

    Pablo83 Sleep, Wrench, Ride

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    Here's the map. Ned, thanks for all your ongoing efforts with this project.

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  16. rhollamby

    rhollamby Been here awhile

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    How hard is this single track?
  17. no2tracks

    no2tracks Been here awhile

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    This is not a trail system for beginners. It has difficult climbs that can result in the area being torn to sheet by inexperienced riders getting stuck and trying to roost their way out. The only easy trails are 701 and 626. The others have difficult hillclimbs.
  18. modette

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    668 = Pipeline:
    Heading down/North is the easiest, but there is exposure that might freak some out. And the one part that is steep, is VEEERRRY steep.

    Heading up, south - This would be an extreme trail. The exposure side on your left, with some rock ledges that are diagonal. Then the STEEP part, you might be pushing, pulling and dragging up.

    720
    Yeah there is some up's heading West, ones a huge boulder but its like slick rock just don't panic. I would say this trail is moderate

    Heading East is easy to Moderate, just a few moderately steep parts.

    701
    Going south, I give it Moderate to Hard

    Going North, I would say Moderate

    672 - Mt Rosa
    Going East, this is a VEEERY extreme trail, switch backs with ledges that are on steep climbs and in a rock field. When you get to the top you have to come down, and down is STEEP, tight switch backs with ledges on the switch backs...even once you think your clear its steep steep and more steep heading down. Not a trail for a NEW riders at all. Extreme TRAIL

    Going West, LOL Good luck is all I will say. Very steep, very rocky, some boulder hop ups, and then you get to the exposed switch backs with ledges on the switch backs. Good luck.

    626
    This is EASY and short, this be a good one for a new rider to hit. If you have trouble here then stay off all the other stuff.

    The Jeep roads in the area are fun too, and you can also be challenged. It's a good place for newer riders to practice.

    FR379, except down to Seven Lakes Rd...VERY STEEP so your return will be extreme up that one bit.

    FR370.C - Eagle Rock (Popular Jeep Trail)
    Going down not that bad, going up its Jeep size boulders so this can become Extreme. Up would be North.

    If your plated, lots of Jeep Trails to explore from easy to Moderate to Extreme in the area. Have fun.
  19. BBooch

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    I'm very excited to hear about the new opening of this loop! 720 uphill has always been my favorite section of the whole system.
    Keep in mind, there is still potential of an entire new trail system being built over the next few years so let's show everyone we are a responsible group and stay off closed sections!

    And like Modette said, nothing in here is really for beginners, unless you're naturally good at this stuff. Mountain bike experience would help. Maybe practice the jeep roads above Frosty's first.
  20. modette

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    I'm going to hit Mt Rosa Monday (tomorrow) from East to West the most difficult direction. As stated not a beginner route at all. Any interest from experienced riders as you are welcome to join.

    If a few newer riders want to come, you guys can play on 626 and the Jeep Roads...lots to explore we can then meet back up and I can show you around, and do what I can to give you pointers.

    I got a 52 Tooth rear sprocket I need to go out and put on, and also mount the new GPS unit. See how this sprocket will work for 5MoH for next month.

    No time set yet, I was thinking early just to avoid any bad weather. I plan to hitch carry up to FR379...probably Unload there at Gold Camp and FR379.