Car alarms, anybody know the truth?

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by cogitate, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    Tell me about car alarms. Yes, i just bought a new car (Subaru BRZ), and the dealer talked me into a Karr Security system. It is not installed yet, so tell me what you know :ear I could probably get out of it. It was the only thing I succumbed to at the dealer. I am second guessing it.

    The car is the premium model, which is the lower of the two. It "supposedly" does not have an alarm, but just an engine immobilizer. i found out the cars are shipped with any security system turned off. It needs to be turned on by holding and pressing some buttons on the remote, then you get a flashing icon on the dash when the car is off. The factory disables them before they ship so the alarms don't go off in shipping. Or so I read.:deal

    I played with the buttons tonight, and lo and behold, there appears to be some semblance of an alarm. I accidentally left a door ajar and there was a weird buzzing, which i noticed at the same time i noticed the alarm icon was flashing. I did not test it, it's kind of late, but when i locked the car up in the garage, the icon that is flashing was definitely NOT flashing the past few days. I will leave a window open tomorrow, lock the car, and reach in and open the door. If it goes off, well, i guess i don't need anything else?
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  2. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Pretty much. I wouldn't bother with an aftermarket alarm, even if it is dealer installed.
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  3. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    I'm pretty sure nobody pays the least attention to car alarms.

    When was the last time you went sprinting through a parking lot because you heard one?
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  4. jdiaz

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    Do insurance companies even bother giving an alarm discount anymore?
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  5. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    I think my insurance gives a discount for garaging and the immobilizer, I have to check on the alarm.

    I was weak, I never agree to anything other than the car when I buy.:cry

    I turned down lojack, outer body treatment, interior treatment, gap insurance, which were all on the docket when I went from the salesman to the finance.

    I went down the list, after giving the guy the stink eye, and said, take this off, this off, this off, this off, this off, this off. This was not what I agreed to with the salesman just a moment ago.

    I did extend the warranty, which is something that has paid off will all my cars that I have owned. I got him down in price on that after I told him to take it off.
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  6. Handy

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    Better off with the lojack, no one even looks in the direction of a car alarm anymore.
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  7. Snarky

    Snarky Vodka Infused.

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    If you bother with an alarm, get one of the 2-way alarms. At least the only one who cares (you), will know when someone is messing with your car.
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  8. Switchblade315

    Switchblade315 Long timer

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    if you can get a alarm that screams FIRE!!!! some one will come looking. people love fire. i once heard a guy tell a self defense class that, expectantly females instead of screaming help or rape scream fire.

    but I know of no car alarms that do this.
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  9. falconati

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    Nobody pays attention to alarms anymore. The money would be better spent on a large car alarm sticker instead. Or theft insurance.
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  10. bwringer

    bwringer Gimpy, Yet Alacritous

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    Don't let the dealership's errand boy crawl around your wiring harness with Scotch-Loks and a drill.

    No idea whether you can get your money back, since you already agreed to the worthless alarm. Perhaps you can sell it on CrackList.


    Google "Karr Alarm" and you will find nothing but complaints.
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  11. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    Recent Subarus have the engine immobilizer standard- at least the two we have had.

    On my wife's previous and now her current Outback, pressing the key/remote door lock button a third time gives a different chirp. According to the owner's manual that third press activates the engine immobilizer.

    I really only use that feature when we visit friends in the NYC area.

    BTW Mark, VERY nice BRZ
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  12. ColinDoyle

    ColinDoyle Been here awhile

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    This. I've never seen a *clean* alarm (or remote-start) installation by someone who wasn't the loving, caring, and skilled vehicle owner.
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  13. 4power

    4power Been here awhile

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    I always got good coverage and said fuck it let 'em steal it, I'll just get another one.
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  14. broncobowsher

    broncobowsher Long timer

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    The aftermarket stuff ages poorly. I have often found the biggest problem with new cars is the aftermarket butchery that goes into them. Dealer installed accessory only means overpriced Pep Boys accessory rolled into the financing. I have taken brand new vehicles that had a dealer installed alarm that was so cheap that if you opted not to have it they just turned it off and abandoned it in the vehicle with the butchered wiring anyway. Not enough value to remove, does that tell you how cheap they are? These are a royal pain after the battery goes dead in a few years and the alarm "resets" back into life.

    Generally takes me about an hour to track down all the butchered wiring and return it to stock. A lot easier to do when the ride is new instead of after it has aged a few years and the plastics have taken a set. The installations can often be described as creative, security through obscurity. No one has any idea what the hell is going on therefor it can't be defeated. Trouble is repair through obscurity just makes things horrible. Techs get pissed and start running jumper wires instead of looking for some mystery splice in some harness somewhere. Once it starts and runs again they are so far off flat rate they lost their shirt for the day and just kick the car out with a poorly routed jumper wire that later chafes in a couple years. Then the next tech finds a mystery jumper wire and a dead harness and they are even more lost then the prior tech. Oh what a horrible downward spiral. All because the dealers front end wanted to make a quick buck on a POS alarm system.
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  15. KeithinSC

    KeithinSC Long timer

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    :lol3They are still trying the 'outer body and interior' treatments? Buddy of mine used to sell cars. It was Turtle Wax and 3M Scotchbrite.

    Definately pass on the dealer installed alarm. Either they will have one of their techs install it (bad). Or they will drive it across town to BestBuy and have them install it, with a 100% markup.
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  16. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    Ok, thanks, inmates:clap

    I am going to not have it installed, let's see if i can get my money back. Ahh, the pain of a moment of weakness:eek1


    I had a few hours off for lunch, took it for another spin in the twisty bits. I did turn on the VSC sport button, which makes the car handle better in the curves, as stated in the manual. By pressing this, it also shut off the traction control, I assume so you can loose a little traction and get the rear end around.

    Dunno, felt more secure if thats the word, with the traction control on, and VSC off. Never had a car with traction control before.
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  17. Schnickelfritz

    Schnickelfritz pick, grin, repeat

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    This. Hip attention seekers are advised to simply turn on fog lights all the time (to let everyone know that this car or a truck has fog lights and they're just as bright and pointed in exactly the same direction as headlights, bonus points for extra brightness or blue color), continually talk on the phone while swerving into the adjacent lane (which lets everyone see that I'm on the phone, because if I can't pretend to be an important big-shot in the car, then why even have a cell phone at all?), or install subwoofers pointing out of the car instead of into the car, thereby gaining the desired attention of those who might not have noticed. Any of these can be just as obnoxious as chirping the car alarm upon exit, an exercise which serves mainly to inform bystanders that the car owner also has a car alarm. How special!

    Seriously, tho, you know what would be special? A car alarm with a false alarm rate below 95%.
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  18. ragtoplvr

    ragtoplvr Long timer

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    I have fixed 2 cars with intermittent dieing issues, Both of them were car alarm related. I do not know if it was the alarm itself or the butchered wiring job. All I know is once it was cleaned up and properly sealed, there were no further issues.

    The wire it in fast mentality in not conclusive to good results.

    Rod
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  19. troidus

    troidus Long timer

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    In 1991 I lived in an apartment complex in the glide path of McConnell AFB in Wichita. This was back when KANG had B1s and both those and the KC-135s were fairly active. I could tell when someone new moved in, because his car alarm would go off repeatedly for a week or two until he could make an appointment to have the sensitivity turned down. :lol3
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  20. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    Went to dealer today, no problem, they will back the price of the alarm out of the financed amount. Good to go!

    thanks for the input, inmates!:clap
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