Car salesmen

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by jdub1242, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. jdub1242

    jdub1242 Been here awhile

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    Actually I went on a 5200 mile bike trip two years ago, Punta Cana last year, a three day ride in the Ozarks this year, and Vegas (again) last month. I am leaving July 9th for a zig-zag trip across the western US and then north to Alaska. I estimate the trip will be between 21-30 days. Come along, maybe we could share opinions that really matter.
    The car is for my wife. She has put up with my motorcycle addiction for more than 5 years. Everything from racing to switching to a new bike every year or so. She wants a CPO BMW, she gets one. Its a great car with a great safety record. It will be covered for 6 total years and 100k. I could care less if you dont like my spending practices. I make good money and will spend it as I see fit. Thanks for you opinion.
    On a lighter note we found a salesman that is proving to be very helpful, unlike most I have come across.
  2. santaferider

    santaferider The Argienaut

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    I sold cars for about 6 years before retiring, and worked at three dealerships: BMW, Land Rover and a combined VW-Subaru-Honda shop.

    I saw quite a bit of despicable behavior from both sides. I also saw quite a bit of refreshing straightforward attitude mainly at the BMW dealership. Basically, it all boils down to the business culture and integrity of both the dealer and the buyer. The salesman is usually between those powers and tries to carry a balancing act. He knows that the client is trying to get something for nothing and that his boss is trying to get the most for what he has. :dunno

    I would not work again at a dealership which does not allow me to fire a customer.
  3. adam_c_eckhardt

    adam_c_eckhardt halfway there

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    Well, I finally got around to buying a truck today.

    The dealership that I liked most was open today (Sunday) for one last promotional push.

    Went in to look at a specific 3/4 ton that the salesman had called me on, drove it, drove a 1/2 ton just like it and decided on the 3/4.

    Either way, we had a great experience dealing with the salesman, sales manager, and F&I guy. The only back and forth nonsense was caused by my wife and I- they came right out of the box with an exceptionally low price. I had some oddball questions that the salesman didn't know the answer to, and then I squeezed them some more for a spray-in bedliner. All in all another great car buying experience- and as long as I have room for a GMC product I'll support this dealer in the future. It's funny how I've always had a good experience with dealers- might have something to do with the attitude that I bring to the table. :deal
  4. koncha

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    Actual quotes from a salesman at a local Ford dealer this afternoon:

    "The US gets the same Focus as Europe. You were driving the same exact vehicle in the UK that we have on the lot here."

    "I don't think Ford is going to release a new Focus. Something called a Fiesta is replacing it."

    "The 2011 Mustang is just as good as the 2010 Mustang. No changes."

    "The Fusion is made in Michigan."

    "Huh, I never noticed that the manual transmission is a 6 speed." in a 2010 Fusion.



    :puke1
  5. AzB

    AzB Fattest thin man

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    None of those things surprise me. The last new car I bought, the salesman had no idea where the battery was.

    And it was a $40000 car. :huh

    Az
  6. Mr. J

    Mr. J Banned

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    the first Passat i leased had the salesman showing me how the ash tray cover opened & closed with just a touch of the finger and the nice little handles to hold located above the doors.


    then he explained "... i worked in the textile industry all my life and now, i'm like here ..."

    i don't blame the guy, because the was straight up front about not knowing doodily-squat. on the other hand, the manager of the dealership should have been slid down a 50' razor blade into a swimming pool full of iodine
  7. koncha

    koncha .

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    I wasn't surprised.

    However, I do expect people to say they don't know rather than make up an answer. Silence doesn't make me feel awkward. I am perfectly fine with silence. I think he was uncomfortable and was trying to fill the void.

    We'll see how it goes tomorrow at a different dealer.
  8. garandman

    garandman Wandering Minstrel

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    By contrast, I run a small business and buy at least one vehicle a year - usually two or three.

    If we don't get a price in response to an email, we don't buy. First time we show up is to drop off a check and sign the paperwork.

    Anyone who thinks that "sales" means aggressively standing around a showroom waiting for bodies to show up deserves what they get. Customers get better when you do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROhlThs9qY
  9. AzB

    AzB Fattest thin man

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    :nod

    I always email the fleet or internet sales and go to the dealer with the best fair price. My time is worth something too, and I have better things to do than stand around a dealership and dicker with some idiot for 5 hours.

    I bought my wife a new car in Feb. Sent out the emails, got a reasonable offer from a dealer about 15 miles away. Headed up to the dealer that sent the email. Was in and out in an hour with a very fair price. No games, no haggling, no surprises.

    The only better way to do it is to hire a broker. Man, that's fast, easy, and you get a guaranteed lower price.

    Az
  10. garandman

    garandman Wandering Minstrel

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    Yeah, I don't beat them over the head: we could usually squeeze another couple hundred out of them, but that's a waste of our time also. We don't want "low bidder" business either because after negotiating endlessly for the cheapest price, they are the first to complain about service. It's like if you are willing to do business with them, you don't deserve respect. So it's "Win/win or walk" for us.

    I usually check Edmunds.com and knock a few hundred off that price, since they've shilled out their market pricing.

    Bought a new WRX in 2009, though and the dealer floored me with a price that was a grand lower: that was in the depths of the recession.
  11. Mr. J

    Mr. J Banned

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    i just got back from the local toyota dealer. had to bring a client's car in to the xpress lube. i want to get a Tacoma next year, so i moseyed over to the showroom while waiting for the oil & filter.

    this is the same dealer i contacted 6 or 7 weeks ago to send me a brouchure. 2 weeks not receiving anything and i called again. gal answered this time and promised she'd follow up & send. 2 weeks after, i called and spoke with the sales manager. he explained toyota had pulled their literature & was revising tech specs to more accurate numbers.

    so i wander in today, still no brochure. bunch of kids and old tubs watching me until "junior" - i never asked him his name - came over to help. i asked him for literature and he came up with 2 or 3 other reasons why they didn't have brouchure he had heard someone say he thought.

    so i had to ask him to check with somebody who could give me one of the original answers and finally a guy over 25 shouted across the showroom that they hadn't gotten the new brochures in yet. but he did suggest that i go online and download a brochure because it would have the most current information - more current than the dealer would have.

    i half heartedly thanked him and started to leave when another young man walked up between me and the door and offered to locate & print a brochure for me. there we a couple of computer stations in the showroom and his clicked a bit and then walked over to the printer which by then was spewing forth toyota literature.

    while this was happening, gabby guy #1 returns and attempts to make idle chit chat. i asked him if he had received any training for his position, by whom, and if he learned anything. by now, he's foregone any credibility which i would have extended. i am not trying too hard to be engaged by him, rather only offering minimal encouragers to his quips.

    in the midst of this second encounter, another sales ass-o-she-it wanders by and slaps #1 beside the head. literally. albiet really a 'love tap', no amount of my trying to convince Numero Uno it was inappropriate none the less had any effect on him. just another day in study hall as far as he was concerned.

    finally, helpful guy #2 comes back with the printed brochure, stapled together, and asked if there was anything else he could do to help. i thanked him and asked for his business card. he faux fumbled, i don't think anyone ever asked him before, and went to the counter and grabbed a generic card and scibbled his name on it while he walked back in order to give it to me.

    so i am still on the fence with this dealer. he's geographically close, reputed to have a decent service department (that's what he told me, anyway), and has at least one person on his sales staff that may be able to be a salesman if he can stick it out long enough.

    Q: do i expect too much?


    later, my experience at the bank this morning
  12. KilLeR Kawasaki

    KilLeR Kawasaki Marky A

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    If the salesmen were at all on their game they'd have offered to drive you in the taco and give you a good walk around. You really can get better info online than in the brochure. What do you want to know about the taco? I sold one today.
  13. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    Yup. I was a walking brochure when there were none in the cupboard.
  14. Mr. J

    Mr. J Banned

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    i think my experience was a slice of life. #1 was there but had little preparation, #2 was there and fighting to get ahead, and #3 was just there through attrition.


    you guys are probably #2s with more experience.
  15. DCrider

    DCrider Live from THE Hill

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    so after all the drama whats the end of the story here, did the OP buy a car or not?
  16. mflora98ss

    mflora98ss Dual Sportin'

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    I think all the people involved in this story have since passed on.
  17. ImaPoser

    ImaPoser adventure imposter

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    He's still waiting for the dealer to call back with their "best" price.
  18. MarylandStrom

    MarylandStrom Been here awhile

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    After 3-1/2 years does it really matter?
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    tkitna Long timer

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    josjor Long timer

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