Careful in Peru!

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by norschweger, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    What's a TT driver? I'm going to India next week and to keep things interesting, I have done about ZERO research. I lurk in the Latin America forum, and even here I keep reading about how horrible India is. Mark mentioned India as the worst just a few days ago. ps: I'm not taking my motorcycle, I'm renting a car.
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  2. Misery Goat

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    These are TATA trucks. And they think they're coming back in a higher caste when they take a gringo on a bike over the cliff with them. :lol3

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    India is awesome by the way. Make sure you drive your car in Delhi, everyone should get to experience Delhi traffic in their life. :freaky
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  3. bananaman

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    In Panama, as Barb and I were getting there, after I left Barb in Costa Rica for a couple of days while I did my crazy shit in the mud on the Atlantic, Barb, as she was crossing the Costa Rica Panama border, met an old guy- and I mean and OLD guy, on a fucking moped, with a pair of crutches and a suitcase strapped to it. He was Simon G-something and he's fucking crazy.

    I've been following his adventure in India and he's been posting pics of these trucks tipped over and smashed. I just didn't know what they were called. Thanks.

    And yes, I'll drive in New Delhi.
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  4. crashmaster

    crashmaster ow, my balls!

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    TATA. Like I mentioned before, its never safe to drive in a country where they believe in reincarnation.

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  5. atadold

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    It was obvious within the first ten minutes in Peru that they had a different slant on driving . Be careful on the ride to Huanuco as the sealed road is only one lane wide and everyone wants it . Hundreds of blind corners ,pigs,goats ,kids ,lots of big drop off's . God I loved it though, one of my favourite rides in Peru. Ride safe
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  6. marksgone

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    After 3 months in Ecuador and 5 in Peru I realized: In Ecuador they don't mind if they kill you, in Peru, they try! They are nice people just selfish, inconsiderate road users. Ride accordingly I reckon!
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  7. jabroka

    jabroka Been here awhile

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    For me, Bolivia, specially crossing La Paz from the south to get to Coroico at rush hour was one of the most stressful riding I've ever done.

    Drivers have no respect whatsoever, they just stop/turn wherever they want, when they want and pedestrians have no sense of self preservation, it was chaotic.

    Like the Ford truck in the pic.. I was just minding my own bussiness,(speed is in km/h) and driver decided that he had the right of way, and that I should stop...:huh

    I was lucky the other lane was free so I swerved and avoided it.. braking would've been useless.

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    Peru felt a little more safe, or at least a little more "in tune" with what I'm used to.

    I'm from Argentina, so I'm used to some reckless driving, but major cities in Bolivia ( La Paz, Oruro, Santa Cruz, etc.) were just too much.

    Mozambique was interesting too, but that's for another forum :D
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  8. jonz

    jonz Miles are my mantra

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    Al the owner of the Shamrock pub in Medellin told me that South America as a whole has a mileage death rate 4 times the USA.
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    And that Peru has a mileage death rate 5 times the rest of South America. :eek1 :eek1 :eek1

    While driving through the Andes in Peru, if you saw a big rig not taking up your side of the road, you were momentarily grateful. :D

    I say momentarily because frequently a bus or car driver decided to pass said big rig on the outside of a blind turn heading straight at you with a 1000' cliff to the side.

    Here's a shot heading into Lima where the drivers turned a 3 lane highway into 5 lanes
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    A video leaving Lima (I think) but for sure in Peru

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    I didn't embed it correctly but it still works.
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  9. TUCKERS

    TUCKERS the famous james

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    For me Medillin was the most awful....and I can ride like a real dick........but cripes.....it was just insane

    bumping elbows with buses and Hi Lux.s is not my idea of a good time.

    Surprisingly laying on the horn a lot DOES seem to help.......:eek1
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  10. bananaman

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    I'm in India. You guys are right. There is no comparison. Interestingly, in the first two days I have not yet seen a traffic cop or an accident, even though the driving is beyond insane.
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  11. crashmaster

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    When you're in the mountains, stop at a curve and look over the cliffs off the side of the road and count how many burned out trucks and busses you can see at the bottom. :eek1 And unless you want to test out that reincarnation theory, be careful. :lol3
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  12. markharf

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    Yup. Everyone who complains about Latin American drivers should do penance in India for a couple of weeks, then come back and offer an opinion about, say, Peru.

    This is not to dis anyone who doesn't like the way they drive in Peru, of course. It's just an attempt to keep things in proper perspective.

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  13. bananaman

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    I was going to rent a car. And then I didn't. No Fucking Way.

    India is to Peru as Peru is to ... Iowa.

    The best one today: two guys on a 150 cc bike. On a 4 lane road. The bike is weaving like crazy. My driver went to pass and almost killed them. After we passed, I saw that the pillion guy was steering. I still don't understand.

    There was one dead cow on the road from Agra to Jaipur. How there was only One I don't understand.

    I don't know how to describe this. There are bulls in the median eating garbage. There are camels going the wrong way. There are 50 TON trucks. Wtf.
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    I think this thread exaggerates the badness of Peruvian drivers. Yes they are aggressive, but they have a very good sense of the space around them. If you have to have people around you who drive just like in the US you need to stay home. Another problem is that on narrow roads trucks have to go into the oncoming lane to make a turn. You need to account for this. If you see a truck coming you want to position yourself not to meet it at the apex of a turn. This is especially true on the Nazca to Cuzco Rd. Dave
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  15. Misery Goat

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    Rent a bike! :lol3
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  16. bananaman

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    I also went to a few shops, including a Royal Enfield shop. It was on my bucket list. It will stay on my bucket list, in the Dumb Idea category.

    Maybe I'm getting too old for these kinds of chances. But actually it just did not look fun.

    I'm already pissed off at things in this country about which I have no control. Being pissed off like that gives me a headache. If I was riding, I would have to keep stopping to beat people up. These Hindu people do nit get angry. So...

    It is cheap to hire a driver. A 6 hour drive cost $100. I rode in the back. I looked the other way when it looked like we would die.
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  17. crashmaster

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    As a frequent India traveler, I can tell you that it will test your patience at first. Its like, uh a different culture or something. :lol3 It will take you a week or so to get into head bobbing, no worries, we will all be reincarnated India mode. Until then, just try to chill out. If you want to really test your patience, go try to buy a train ticket. :lol3 It will all make sense after a while, even the driving. And yes, rent an Enfield! Preferably a 500cc Bullet. :freaky
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  18. markharf

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    I never thought buying train tickets was that bad. You show up a day or two in advance, stand in multiple lines for many hours, exchange money for scraps of shredded paper which are usually held by obscure functionaries who don't appear to know what they're doing or have your best interests at heartÂ…. Then you show up for the train to discover that by some miracle everything you asked for and had despaired of ever seeing has been provided: berths, cabins, meals, services, baggage accommodations, whatever.

    Trying to cross a street or drive on the highway, on the other hand, can be life-altering. And don't ever reflexively extend a handshake to the massage guys who corner you in the standard tourist hangouts unless you want to spend time and money--all you've got, and then some.

    Mark
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  19. bananaman

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    I ride Bitch today for about 3 km through insane downtown marketplace Jaipur. I had followed a guy who knew a guy who had jodphurs. Real ones. I ended up in a house where they made everything for horses, from helmets to boots, bits to saddles. On the way back it was inconvenient to wait for a tuktuk. Two guys on one 100 cc bike and they said Come. We go back. Figure we weighed 600 pounds. And the bike took it. No "helmets" or anything. We went through spaces that weren't there. Over bumps, up and down the sidewalks, I mean crazy shit I wouldn't try on my pig. I mean I wouldn't try it on my nimble R1100GS if it was Vince's katoom.

    Train tickets: no problem. I say to the concierge or the bellman, Train ticket please? It's all online. I can see it on my phone. I just don't have a printer.

    As for patience, I get how India works. The rules are organic. The problem isn't from the individual people, it's from 1.3 Billion souls trying to live where there's room for about 200,000,000.

    I'm glad I came and I'm sure I'll come back.
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  20. gatogato

    gatogato Been here awhile

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    My parents longtime Indian friend was killed a couple years ago when she went back to visit her family for a couple weeks. A rouge bus ran into the friend and her mother, killing the friend instantly and breaking the mother's arm.
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