Cargo bikes. Are you on the 0cc band wagon?

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by DriveShaft, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. DriveShaft

    DriveShaft Long timer

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    you'll want to know your chainstay length, crank length and shoe length to determine if you have heel clearance issues on your upstroke. Tubus makes adapters to move the rack rearward of the rear axle. You ought to be able to approximate where the front of the pannier will sit as roughly half to 1/3rds the length of the rack, depending on the rack's geometry, and a bit on the tilt you put on it when you install it.

    edit: I meant 1/3rd.
  2. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    Dammit Xereaux if you don't buy the whole "I'm superior to the rest of the world motif" of the woman and her cargo bike, why even bother? :lol3
  3. Xeraux

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    Holy shit. I didn't realise that it was this complicated. I can see what you're talking about, though. You certainly wouldn't want to be hitting things with your heel or something when you're trying to pedal.

    I gotta take some measurements this weekend.

    Here's my bike.

    http://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/...y Fisher&Model=Piranha&Type=bike#.UToydjfGfIc
  4. Xeraux

    Xeraux Archvillain

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    I can't.

    I have a smug allergy. :cry
  5. DriveShaft

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    Yeah, I discovered this great divide between "performance-headed" cyclists, vs. "touring" cyclists through this little exploration. Before: Braze-ons? Is that where you mount your bottle of accelerade, or your tiny useless carbon fiber pump? :lol3 Now: I'm looking at race bikes thinking "not enough eyelets." :lol3 Of course...I'm completely ignoring the BMXers, and I'm sure about 10 other clans. But whatever.

    Here's what the extension looks like....buys you a few inches. Just eyeballing that wiki pic of your bike, I'm thinking you're going to benefit from something along those lines. Gary Fisher was deep into downhill at that time, and doing everything they could to move the rider's center-of-mass rearward, including a real compact stubby chainstay & 26" wheels, which'll put your heel real close to the rear axle.

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    I think you're also missing the cross-tube where you would otherwise be able to attach the top of the rack. Coated "P-clamps" mounted on the seat stays give you a place to tie your racks onto up there. Jandd's got a set like this:

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  6. Xeraux

    Xeraux Archvillain

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    Man, I really appreciate all the information. I think I'm probably going to end up with one of those Ortleib sets. Bomb-proof and, in my opinion, reasonably priced.

    Now, I just have to get that rack sorted.

    Yeah. I think you may be right about the cross tube. I may actually have some of those p-clamps in my box with all the bits and bobs I've accumulated for my GS. I'm almost positive I bought some for something a while back.
  7. DriveShaft

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    Np. I've gone through this for my SO's bike recently, so this is pretty-much top of mind for me.

    Last bit of recall: You'll probably have a sizable distance to get from the end of the rack to your seat stay. Racks have extension arms that reach down to the seat stay, and bolt into--well, in your case, the P-clamps. Since the mtb always features that massively sloping top tube for nut clearance, the distance between the top of the seat stay and your rack will be huge. When you spec out your rack, it doesn't matter what length extension bars came with the rack. You will need the LONG (e.g.: 16") extension bars. Again, I had good success swapping in a Jandd bar. Beefy, rugged steel bars, which my LBS stocks. [​IMG]
  8. mud

    mud I just wander.....

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    I am going to second what someone else said.
    GO STEEL!!!!:lol3
    Aluminum racks are nice and light but hard to fix if the break and the bags "can" rub through them if you ride on a lot of rough surfaces. Old Man mountain make some nice Al ones though....

    Here are my favorites:
    Surly nice racks - they are heavy, but VERY functional.
    Tubus
    Old Man Mountain

    If you do not have big feet (mine are 12's), setting up a rear rack is much easier......

    Have fun!
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    Yeah, the Surly racks are really nice. I, especially like that the attachment extensions are tubular, instead of flat strap. Also, their front is a low-rider design, yet, has a platform. You can't have enough places to strap crap.

    This Dajia model is SS and affordable.
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    Actually, I believe the Pirhana to have upper eyelets. But, if not, I prefer this integrated seatpost clamp. P-clamps will work, but, aren't as solid. Salsa, also, offer a collar that just mounts to the seatpost, as opposed to this all-in-one solution.
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    I setup my GF's 2000 Giant Yukon with a Trek Interchange rack and bag (already had them). Then, hung Banjo Brothers grocery panniers, on the sides. Seems to work well, with no clearance issues.
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    They do! :D

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    Be sure to get a disc-specific rear rack. They're made extra-wide, and have a spacer setup to clear the caliper. You'll notice some bikes have the caliper mounted to the chainstay, which alleviates rack/fender fitment issues. Those bikes can use a normal rack, but, not yours. You may have to buy adapters like this, but, they require that you bow the rack outward, which puts stress on the rack and can lead to cracking.

    Here are some disc-specific rack ideas.
    Axiom #1- Though, it's aluminum. But, you may be able to get away with aluminum, since you're probably not touring.
    Axiom #2- This one claims to fit discs, via setback brackets at the QR.
    Axiom #3- Aluminum, too.
    Delta- Based on the price, probably aluminum. But, it's disc-specific.
    Topeak- Sold through REI, which is a plus. But, they're aluminum.
  12. DriveShaft

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    It's been a while since I've really had a chance to look at the longtail project...

    Amongst the other happenings in my life, I had just a ton of churn to work through. Even if you just stick to bike-related stuff...I sold this...

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    Bought this...

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    Built this...

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    Sold the first bike I ever did a triathlon on...

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    Sold my favorite tri bike...:cry

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    In the midst of wrapping up a resto project...

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    Now, I'm finally finding some time to turn towards the longtail....

    Frame prep is a patient man's game...I decided to go old-school and dump linseed oil in the frame...which means taping off areas...

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    Capping off the tubes you don't want it pouring out of. I took the picture using masking tape, but later I found that duct tape works better...adhesive with a bit more tenacity really helps w/ keeping the tape in place.
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    and glug glug glug into those holes...

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    Some of the smaller tubes I'll do with engine fogger later, once I get some thin tubing for the application. But I managed to get the main tubes done...which leads me to the first real sign of progress...

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  13. HOT DAMN!

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    Finally. :D

    Did you face the BB and head tube?

    :lurk
  14. DriveShaft

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    I took it to my shop to have that done, since the only facing tool I own is for installing washers in a faucet. ;). The guy was like "we never bother when we build up surly's, but whatever.". I'm a bit wary trusting anyone w/ a reamer/facing tool on my bike, but I just just haven't found an affordable alternative to taking it to the shop. I went over it with a file afterwards, wiped the exposed surface down with linseed oil, anti-siezed it & mounted it.
  15. DriveShaft

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    BTW, I think Xtracycle has to be one of the worst run businesses I've ever seen from a production and supply chain perspective...definitely *not* ready for any sort of national market. They've got their marketing engine...they've got design pipeline....and they've got their hippie grassroots feel...but their production blows chunks. It's like it's run by monkeys.
  16. carburated

    carburated Been here awhile

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    Here's my "cargo bike".

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    It's an old steel hardtail (bought new in 1988!) with a super cool custom one wheeled cargo trailer. Basically when my daughter got too old for the tag-a-long I removed the seat , pedals and bars and bolted on a set of steel panniers. Between the rack on my bike, and the rack on the trailer, I can do a week's worth of grocery shopping no problem. A case of beer sits on accros the top of the trailer rack well too. I even rigged up a strap/bungee system so I can carry the EZ-up on it for when we go to soccer games on the weekends. :lol3 It's connected with a single bolt, easy on/off.

    The bike is old enough to be considered free by now (could probably buy a similar bike for $50), the tag-a-long was $20 at a garage sale, and the racks were probably $100 total for bike and trailer. It rides just fine, even loaded up. And it's narrow enough to fit on the paths that 2 wheeled trailers don't fit.
  17. HOT DAMN!

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    Cool rig. :thumb
  18. jonnytorch

    jonnytorch Been here awhile

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    Have had a Big Dummy for a couple years now. Got it when I was doing the no car thing for about a year. Great bike. It's the only one I ride now. Bought a car but still bike as much as reasonable. Always get the groceries and this baby. :clap
  19. DriveShaft

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    Heyyyy...a Unigo! :thumb!
  20. DriveShaft

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    The mad scientists of fatties have come up with a new tire option for you. :clap

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