Carlton Complex Fire

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by 81forest, Jul 19, 2014.

  1. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Be very careful out there. Some of those taproots will stay burning, underground, for a long time. They can burn laterally under the soil as well. When we were doing rehab work for wildlife (wells, feeders) after fires, we probed the path we were taking as if we were in a minefield.
    Kinda sobering when your shovel goes into 'solid' ground and reveals a barbecue pit. If you drop into one it can be very bad to lethal, depending on size, and seems like a bad way to go.

    Weather- thought I saw lightning east of Cashmere last night, and about 9:30 it was raining nicely. Still damp out, which is good. Did anybody see the Grant County Fairgrounds evacuation, or the haboob outside Ritzville?

    1911fan
  2. svizzerams

    svizzerams Rx Rangerette

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    Rained steadily last night in Chelan - pictures of the haboob were amazing. Good advice on the post-fire terrain hazards too. I'll let my friends know as well so they can be aware when they start doing re-hab work.
  3. dustin2

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    We had quite a bit of rain up north in Vancouver, BC. How are you guys doing down there?
  4. michaelyogi

    michaelyogi Been here awhile

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    Rain yesterday was welcome. Some friends got a bit of a scare... Debris slide across their land at 2 am! Scary enough in daylight!
    Not sure if I'm off Level One yet but I'm feeling more relaxed with the rain and lack of lightening in our area.
    Funny to be on Level One... We were never on Level One before our house burned.



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  5. svizzerams

    svizzerams Rx Rangerette

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    Lots of small mudslides all around Lake Chelan - hard steady rain with massive lightening - but no wind. Clearing up now. I've never looked so forward to the first snowfall in all my years.
  6. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Hard rainfall for several hours last night, but it was accompanied by a LOT of lightning. Carryovers can wait until this weekend when it is supposed to be in the 90s again.
    Cross your fingers!


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  7. svizzerams

    svizzerams Rx Rangerette

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    Oh what fresh hell is this - mudslides and flash floods close highway 20 between Twisp and Okanogan and highway 153 between Twisp and Carlton. Looking forward to the first snows :huh
  8. 81husky

    81husky Been here awhile

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    I've thought the same thing, but with our luck this year, be careful what you ask for.
  9. 81forest

    81forest ADDRider

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    Good grief! What a year it has been. At this rate, the snow will come in 20 foot drifts and bury the loup loup ski bowl before it can open for business. :cry
  10. KENPCPILOT

    KENPCPILOT n00b

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    This was my favorite region for off road and single track riding and making new tracks in the open wilderness. Hope recover is short
  11. svizzerams

    svizzerams Rx Rangerette

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    So - last Thursday had one hell of a storm...again. In the Methow. Again. Friends "had" a cabin in French Creek, near the town of Methow, that burned in the first stage of the Apocalypse 2014 (the fire). I went to check on their property Friday after the storm Apocalypse stage 3 (the flood); [stage 2 was the wind storm that took down a bunch of trees that roared through about a week after the fire]:

    The road in:

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    Where some mud/rocks/other debris arrived from to coat the road:

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    The drive way with remnants of the cabin in the background:

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    This used to be the pond:

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    A little farther down another mudslide across the road:

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    I'd say cue up the locusts next but there's nothing left for them to eat....So I figure like a previous poster that the winter is going to be one for the record books.....It has been heartbreaking to see all this happening to friends and neighbors. Crazy.
  12. Ladybug0048

    Ladybug0048 Bug Sister

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    I feel for all the folks in that area that have lost so much and have an uphill battle to climb. :cry
  13. michaelyogi

    michaelyogi Been here awhile

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    Finally on the way to recovery and rebuilding.
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    Looks pretty green considering what a wasteland it was a few weeks ago... I suddenly realized that this weekend is Labor day... I literally just lost two months.
  14. what broke now

    what broke now Petroleum Brother

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    Is the foundation useable or are you just going to demo and start over?
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    svizzerams Rx Rangerette

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    Nice to see you have progress going on! It has been a wild few weeks.

    An interesting video of the mudslides from last week (esp. around the 12 min mark).

    http://vimeo.com/104463724
  16. michaelyogi

    michaelyogi Been here awhile

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    All the concrete was badly damaged, fire cracked and spalled. Adjuster wrote it all off. We start with a clean slate.
    I'm rather excited about this prospect. I work as a lead carpenter in our area. I've gotten to be involved with some rather nice houses over the past couple of decades. Here's one recent example... Cast Architecture.
    Now I probably won't build this modern/sterile, after all, I live in the Methow and a Met-house has got to have some funk! I get to play on a house of my own! Sahweet. :D
    Our plan is to rebuild the barn this fall and work on the plans/premitting for the house, this winter. Start up in spring...
  17. michaelyogi

    michaelyogi Been here awhile

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    I saw this vid. The reality, as you well know is far greater and more tragic.
    The insurance companies have lots of way to get out of paying in a flood/mudslide scenario. It's really sad. You need to have the right kind of insurance for this kind of situation. And the definitions of these slides is the key to actually being insured! Floods, mean water, and mudslides, are acts of god. These folks are having a hard time with their version of disaster. Our stuff is just gone, poof! They still have their stuff and it's all fucked up beyond belief. Mud is into everything and everywhere. I saw closed drawers stuffed full of mud! Logs, boulders, debris of all sorts just strewn about.
    The Methow River below Twisp is a garbage dump right now. Literally. Septic tanks, fuel tanks, tires, refrigerators, fencing, busted up lumber, vehicles... it just goes on. A friend of mine just kayaked this stretch to get an idea of the damage... he said it stunk on the river. He also gps'd lot's of the debris and submitted this info to the proper authorities. The river is still colored baby shit brown...
    This is the summer we'll never forget, even though we want to...
  18. what broke now

    what broke now Petroleum Brother

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    That is a great opportunity to build your own. If the insurance payout is favorable, you might beat the number and have some dough left over since you are the gc. Good luck with permitting, maybe they will go easy on residents after the disaster.

    Small world, I did a project with Cast in Seattle before I retired.
  19. Squishy

    Squishy Elastically-kinematic.

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    I'm glad that they are letting you start at the ground level, it gives you an exciting project ahead after enduring such a life changing event.
    We had an insurance pay out because of a neighbor felling his tree through our house, i only wish we could've started at the footings & totally rebuilt rather than upgrading on a previous design footprint.
    Thanks for the link to Cast, i worked in the tilt up business years ago when it was branching off into the custom residential market.
    I would like to follow your rebuild, maybe start a new thread covering the rebuiding of homes in the area, & post a link.

    All the best with this new start. Good luck.
  20. svizzerams

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