carring spare oil

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  1. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    I believe it's a requirement of the various standards that all oils be able to mix without adverse affects. If there are normal oil or additive chemistries (not some exotic aircraft turbine oil) that are incompatible, I've yet to see any definitive examples or descriptions of how and why. Manufacturers "caution against" mixing oils because they want you to buy more of THEIR oil - duh!
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  2. marty hill

    marty hill The Energizer Bunny

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    Exactly!:D
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  3. I GS 1

    I GS 1 I 90S I

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    If you have a reference to where and how that requirement is stated, I would like to have it. Thanks

    (so you buy more of their oil - not convinced)
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  4. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    The GS-W is my third boxer. The other two both used "some" oil, so I got into the habit of carrying some in a saddle bag. Shockingly, the GS-W has yet to use a drop in 2700+ miles of riding. :eek1

    I can't seem to break the habit of carrying extra, though, so I still do. :lol3 :baldy If the engine continues to be a teetotaler, I may stop carrying spare oil...
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  5. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    Try this: http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/283/testing-lubricants-companibility

    Now can YOU provide a link to anything that supports your conjecture that any automotive oils are likely to be incompatible?

    I can see how mixing oils with different properties would result in an oil which did not meet either specification exactly (and therefore the manufacturer of product A is not willing to claim that its specifications will remain the same after adding some of product B) That's not the same as suggesting that one additive would interfere with the effect of another, which is what you stated, and that would somehow harm your engine, which is what you implied.

    The link above specifically states that engine oils meeting at least some of the recognized standards (most off-the-shelf oils meet all the current & relevant standards) must pass a test or tests demonstrating their compatibility with multiple other oils. Do you know of a specific product that does not meet the current standards because it is not compatible with other oils?
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  6. JM

    JM Been here awhile

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    Circle the wagons, it looks like we have us a real live oil thread. And it only took 6 pages. :nono
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  7. FatChance

    FatChance Road Captain

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    If you have to mix oil it is because you need to top off to get out of trouble. Change it as soon as you get out of trouble if it matters to you. Let's keep it real. :dunno
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  8. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    Hanging my head in shame....
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  9. I GS 1

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    I'm happy to just stay with the link you provided. To me it is enough. It clearly states: “Given the more complex nature of the engine oils, there is a greater likelihood that problems can occur with mixing this type of lubricant” and goes in to add “… Very often, the mixing of different fluids results in a loss of solubility and/or the responsiveness of the additive ingredients used in either of the two formulations. This can result in a diminished effectiveness of the additives to perform as intended.” if you are happy to put up with possible deminished effectiveness or a greater likelihood that problems can occur thats your choice. Im not suggesting your bike won't run or that it will be directly damaged but for me it is no hassel to carry a bit of extra oil.
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  10. Gezerbike

    Gezerbike Hey Rocky...........

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    Back to the subject of what to carry extra oil in, I have used an old 8oz bottle of Gumout carb clear to carry oil in for years. The long neck spout makes it easy to pour and it does not take up much space in my bags. Never have I had to purchase any on the road until this last trip in my new 2012 GS Rally, whcih needed about 12oz in a 4,000 mile trip to Colorado. Just zipped into Walmart and got a qt of Rotella 15-40, topped off my carry bottle and bike and gave what was left to one of my riding partners who also uses the stuff. Real easy.
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  11. jon_l

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    If I needed /wanted to carry less than a QT/liter, I'd use a Nalgene and label it so it didn't get poured in oatmeal or on pancakes. A couple bucks at any camping store, they are oil & chemical resistant, and don't leak.

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    I carry HEET in one of these Nalgenes for the alcohol burner. I have a 250 and a 500 ML.

    If one is too cheap for that, one of those small 2-stroke chain saw oil bottles should work fine.

    While availability of your favorite flavor of motorcycle-specific oil might be limited in outer Remotistan, there are diesel machines and transport trucks almost everywhere in N America, and HDEO works fine in motorcycles. Assuming a Walmart isn't around, a truck stop or mechanic would surely be able to spare a few hundred MLs of oil for a traveler. Full disclosure - I use Rotella T-6 by choice, have for years.
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  12. VG44

    VG44 Been here awhile

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    Well said Jim......
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  13. slartidbartfast

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    :yikes HEET is pure methanol and highly toxic. Not something you want on your skin or around food. Alcohol stoves are supposed to burn ethanol. (Denatured alcohol is mostly ethanol, with just enough methanol that the street bums know not to drink it but not enough to make you sick if you breathe a few vapors while lighting your stove)
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  14. bemiiten

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    Plastic bottles expand at altitude and that usually results in the contents weeping past the cap. Aluminum fuel bottle will not expand and the cap is sealed with a o ring.
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    TUCKERS the famous james

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    Seeing as me and the Mrs are both riding low miles GS's I carry oil, as they tend to use a bit at first.

    I had originally bought a quart but the container was too big.

    Now I use a stainless drink bottle I got from the 99c store, works great. It's the size of a bicycle bottle so fits in one of those bicycle holders perfect! I bolted two on the outside of my panniers, one for oil, one for drink.

    On our recent 2000 mile trip I think I used less than a tea cup of oil for both bikes total.
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  16. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    In that case you really didn't need to add any at all. So, now you can carry two drink bottles with actual drinks in them! :lol3

    Jim :brow
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  18. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    I just took my 2001 GS from Windsor, Ont. to Glacier, Banff, Jasper, back down to Yellowstone, the Tetons, and over to Cody for two days, then over Beartooth Pass and Little Bighorn and then home.

    I used about a half quart of oil in 6,100 miles.

    My bike turned 75,000 miles on the trip.

    I shouldn't worry about carrying extra oil on this trip. If you find you are low you can certainly find more oil at the next service station.

    However, if you need to carry oil for longer trips either use one of the Touratech mounts or find some sort of oil proof container for the partial bottle. I bought a black BMW zippered pouch a few years ago which fits a quart of oil perfectly and is lined. I tucked in my panniers for years before I mounted a Jessie rear carrier with the small lockable storage compartment which now holds my oil and a Packsafe net.

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    That was the second trip for the Packsafe net. I have never used it either time. And it's heavy. I am reconsidering ever bringing it along again.
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  19. vintagerider

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    I can see oil in the site glass when parked on a hill and revving the engine at 5k. Does that mean I'm ok Jim?
    note... The "add oil" light does flash a bit but goes off when I bring her up to >5,300 rmp.
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    Seriously op, all BMW are going to be high oil consumption if broke in by the manual. The 11xx needed the crap run out of it on light oil when new to seat the rings.

    My 1100 used 200 ml fully loaded in the heat of summer from FF to Bend to Cody but that was...
    only with 20w50 MO 1 V Twin API SG
    (not mobil 15w50 car oil) which I really think 1100's do best on 80F ambient hard running.

    My 1150 oddly seemed to like the 15w40 HDO conv truck oil better than MO V Twin. Also when I mixed Amsoil with MO 1, even in small amounts after oil change I got a clatter from the valve train. I can't get a consistent oil level reading on the 1150 like I do w/the 1100. Even when I run it to five bars, park it on side stand 20 min then re-read.

    As far as carrying oil, there is no knead. For top off ask the loob mechanix for a cup from their 55 gal drum when on the road. Any engine oil will due, the dilution factor is irrelevant.

    I like to use 250-500ml just for GL 5 because imo the gear oil really does matter and fav brnd hard to find on the road.
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  20. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Are you drunk? Did I say anything about seeing it with the motor running? Seriously, are you intentionally being a tool here?:norton
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    Wrong! Not all, or even most will use oil.

    :huh

    Normally you type somewhat legibly, and make some sense, even if I don't agree with you, but WTF?

    Jim :brow