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Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by Apple Jam, Feb 2, 2015.
Excellent work, thank you for taking the lead on this.
Thanks! Its not too much work so far. Actually, wait....this is complex and tiring stuff. And I'm parched....so parched.......
..... a medium bodied and complex lager
Since you're in portland, you should be able to trip and fall in any direction and find what you're looking for. . Or try swinging a cat.
Yes! I'm only a few min from Occidental brewery, and the Central Hotel bar, which makes excellent cocktails.
circusinthesky, I will get you most of the route when Scott_PDX gets them out of my computer and you will have some of the sections that you might be missing!
Thanks for putting this together!
Thanks!!! Who else has routes/tracks?
Apple jam.... the problem is they are in his head, he only looked at my maps twice in 6 days! His GPS does not work well with any known computers!
Ah, gotcha. Can we get him near a circular saw? I'm sure we can rig some sort of extraction process.
Some ideas here if we can't download anything from AJ. There's a route from Detroit east towards ORBDR#3
I apologize in advance if this has been covered, don't have time to read the entire thread right now. If nothing better has come along for a place to post your route, you could try here: http://www.gpsxchange.com/ I've posted a couple times long ago, but it seemed to work.
Yeah, from that posting, it looks similar (but not exactly) to what you sent earlier. The start is a little different. Probably fuel stops near Hood.
I'll hold off adding the CDR tag unless we're sure its AJ's route. (Although, we can still add in other sections. Just might be nice to have an official route sanctioned by the Vatican.)
Whoa, thanks guys!!
I've been working all day and couldn't check in since yesterday mid-day.
I do have several sets of tracks. I have a set that covers the first day from HR to the Chevron near Blue Box Pass on 26. I tracked these myself years ago before my Zumo stopped charging. When I took the Route with pigpen and Dukegnarley & his buds in late 2013, I have their tracks that are more complete for the rest of the Route down South, but miss a couple things near Hood River. I will email these out to circusinthesky, sprocket3 and El Pacifico shorty.
I did not want to post incomplete tracks, because they are not ready to use reliably yet. I am hesitant to put these or any tracks in ADV's GPS section until it is ready, as they'll just get passed around in incomplete form. I also will not include computer derived routes until they are actually ridden and proven. We can play around with them in this thread all we want, and then once we have ridden and proven tracks for all that we wish to be part of the Route, then I'll mod the OP to include them in a final use form.
Yes, I do wish to be "vatican" of the Route, as somebody has to decide to add or delete new potential tracks from the main Route. While I have a Route "in full" already done, I want you all's help in making it better in some of the more boring sections. We can choose which sections to include together, somewhat democratically. But,...I do not wish to water it down to make it easy for some dude who just sold his Harley and bought a new GS, though, that rider can do other routes. I wanted this CDR to be a very hard work and a rider's challenge as much of the way as possible, something that many of the dedicated big bike riders can do, even if they must suffer a bit for it. But all the medium to small dirt bike guys should eat this stuff up. The guys that can just go fast on gravel roads and think they are experts for it,...will not really enjoy this Route.
I'm liking this Breadcrumb setup so far.....I did try to find stuff around your route, or on roads very similar for two days a couple of years ago, but everything NorthWest of FS46 just seemed so tame, just basic gravel roads. After coming off of 4220 from Olallie Lakes area, this seemed a bit boring. My current route just takes 46 down to Breitenbush turnoff. Although that is more pavement than I want, the routes NW just seemed to add miles without any killer old dirt-only roads to justify it. It does, however, lead up to the Wilderness up North with a Wilderness border road, but it was "just" a gravel road. But I will be open-minded. So far this Route touches EIGHT Wilderness areas, and ride the borders of most of them for a ways. Maybe we should include it just to touch the Wilderness.
My goals (in order) for the CDR:
#1: As little pavement as possible. I wanna get to Sisters/Big Lake with as absolutely few miles of pavement as we can. It is somewhere less than 40 now.
#2: To include as many old historic wagon roads and Wilderness edge roads as possible, while avoiding pavement to get to and from them.
#3: To be very hard work and a challenge most of the way for all types of bikes, not just a scenic ride through the forest.
#4: To promote dispersed (guerrilla/stealth) camping along the way.
This will be no GS parade.
Other Routes accommodate beginners;
...this Route will BEAT on them.
A lot of BDR guys say 160 miles a day of mixed roads is no problem.
100 miles a day of this dirt-only CDR will tire out even you young-uns
Oh yeah,...and NO LITTERING in MY Forest !!!
If I see a beer can or even toilet paper left behind from any of you fuggers,
...you're gonna hear about it !!
Thanks AJ. I posted most of that stuff for trial purposes. We'll get the right sections added, and also an entire route. I guess we'll have to have something posted so that someone can validate the route.
As far as the goal of the route, I love the concept, and I'm excited.
The only thing I'll leave behind is blood and skin.
After spending a bit of time zooming in on many parts of this Route, it is obvious that this mapset that Breadcrumbs uses will not show a whole bunch of the minor roads that we will ride, or will want to add/edit to the Route. Are better res maps available? How does Breadcrumbs deal with tracks on a road it does not register?
The online maps I've seen all suck in the details. Google maps does not even show Bennett Pass as a through road. I need something with really good maps to show this Route to people easily. If the same app/program can work with phones GPS and we can see it here on computers easily, that would be best.
Can we use some of the Geo-referenced PDF maps that the FS/USDA puts online? These are kick-ass resolution quadrant maps that show almost ALL minor roads, and they are very fun to spend time with:
Maybe similar to what Lucknau did with the OHV maps?
I've never tried any of this stuff:
I thought the track would be created and edited in Basecamp and only stored on this site for distribution and vague illustration of the route. Once a completed track is created it can be pulled into various applications. I think we've got most of it in Basecamp now and only need the Tygh Valley to Hood River section.
Jump start that dead laptop for the northern section and we should be about set with the complete track.
AJ, you might ask lucknau if he's willing to GeoRef the relevant maps/route area (once the full route is assembled). I haven't got spun up on georef'd maps and GPS yet.
Once the complete track is created, it can be imported in a number of different application with higher resolution maps. The track does not change based on the base map level of detail.