Cascade Discovery Route

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by Apple Jam, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. Squishy

    Squishy Elastically-kinematic.

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    This would be excellent, a long trip but great destination coming out near Crater Lake.

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    Awesome!!

    Thanks to Sprocket3 for the tracks too.
  2. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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    Great idea AJ and nice work.

    I've got a 36" bar and chain for my old Stihl but those are some serious logs that would mill real nice. Sure wouldn't want to get in trouble slicing a handle bar width chunk out of'em. But what do I know!?
  3. oldmonkeybut

    oldmonkeybut Digital Emigrant

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    :d
  4. DiggerD

    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    Good thing about riding bikes is getting around log jams like this. It usually does not take big effort, just a good eye where to cut a new trail around and sweat equity....er....proud to say I have both and willing to help with trial building. I like leaving log jams like this to ...slow down / stop the 4 wheel clan...:wink::wink::wink:
    I did use some of this route coming back from AJ camp out last fall. I also know how to read maps...remember top o maps anyone...friggin gps....but ...alass I am shopping for my first GPS unit...honing in on a Montana 600 me thinks...frikin electronics...one more thing to get out dated and break...

    Have chain saws...Katoom 950...XRR with plate ....polaski....come-a- long and cable,,,point me to the job site men...and I will man up.
    I am west of the Santiam pass and have a van to work out of...Could possibly hood wink other riders to help too!
  5. WSobchak

    WSobchak Long timer

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    If they'r over a year or two old they're not worth much and unless there are acres of down material to recover its not economically feasible to commercially harvest.

    Fire up that Stihl! :deal
  6. Grahamcracker

    Grahamcracker Been here awhile

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    I think a trail-workaround is a great idea! I'd be down to help :evil
  7. oregonlmd

    oregonlmd Dirt,street,its all good.

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    Me too. DiggerD, you and I need to work together. There is much alignment of purpose.
  8. Apple Jam

    Apple Jam Forest Flyer

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    What I'd really like to clean up and add is a section of the old Santiam Wagon Rd that is East of Big Lake, heading towards Sisters. This section (numbered FS590) leaves NF500, just East of the Wilderness border, and it is this abandoned section of Santiam Wagon Rd that actually makes up the Wilderness border. I wanna ride it further than the mile I made it first try.

    The 590 road, just East of the Wilderness, at it's intersection with NF500:
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    This link to Google maps shows it clearly,

    Link to Google Maps

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    My big effort to get through there two years ago tells me I need your kinda help.

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  9. Squishy

    Squishy Elastically-kinematic.

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    Dang, that's reminiscent of the trails down around Prospect OHV area...& i was on my little XR4!
    You know what I'm talking about...Throttlebody!? :deal
  10. DiggerD

    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    "What I'd really like to clean up and add is a section of the old Santiam Wagon Rd that is East of Big Lake, heading towards Sisters. This section (numbered FS590) leaves NF500, just East of the Wilderness border, and it is this abandoned section of Santiam Wagon Rd that actually makes up the Wilderness border. I wanna ride it further than the mile I made it first try."

    I kind of know that area..rode there a time or two....I know a guy who knows this area better than I do......Hells Al...his Dad built a cabin in the 50's or early 60's., and is still standing on the road going back to HoDo Ski Bowl. I bet big money Al's been on this trail to Sisters. He and I would go up there for a "B's" weekend...bikes, beer, bullets, babes....:wink::wink::wink: had to pack his eye brow bones back together one time...he did a head plant on some lave rock.:eek1:eek1:eek1
    Humm....snow level is low..fire danger is low..ok to run chain saws...as long as this is legal...no questions....I can round up a work party.
    Loose plan would be camp out some Friday night at Big Lake ORV area or get there to start at 9ish Saturday and geter' done next day..or two.
    I will jabber jaw this plan tomorrow night with the Corvallis Flat Tail Meet up at 6-6:30 Tuesday... every Tuesdays...see if I can hood wink some helpers. :wink::wink::wink:
  11. Hohmie

    Hohmie Long timer

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    Please keep us eastsiders in the loop on this one, we used to ride up there all the time but haven't been up there much since they implemented the designated trail system. Lotsa good riding up there and then you can jump on the Cross District trail and go.
    I would like to help out if time allows.
  12. DiggerD

    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    Eastside Homie wrote:

    "but haven't been up there much since they implemented the designated trail system."

    Now there is some homework someone can take on!

    My take on this is it's not a new trail...it's reopening an existing established right of way / road, Right Captain AJ?

    Digging into what is legal and what is not. I am all about staying on the legal side of the law. Do we have any contacts with ...I guess it's National Forest Land ? And this designated trail system....any contacts who know the ...system?
    Way better to get every one happy from the get go rather than smoothing feathers after you PO others going behind their backs and after a lot of trail work is already done and useless.

    I am not starting my saw until I get the warm and fuzzy feelings.

    East side riders: If this is a go, I will keep you guys in the loop too. More man power the better.:wink::wink::wink:
  13. oldmonkeybut

    oldmonkeybut Digital Emigrant

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    There are/were a ton of miles of "pirated" trails East of Big Lake. I know some people who were cutting them in and Maintaining them. They got "discovered" and it got UGLY! The Sisters Ranger District doesn't support our train of thought well at all. We used to have a bunch of trails and Hill Climbs on and around Black Butte. Those got taken away as a result of the legal mess. Shitty deal all around. These trails were very nice tight single track. Well layed out and not causing any harm to the forest. I did notice the MTN bikers are now using some of them but they are taboo for moto's.
  14. DiggerD

    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    The Santiam Wagon Road on the West side of the mountain is set aside for hiking and biking...no moto's.

    I can see the DFS wanting a buffer to moto's before it get's to the wilderness....if a fire starts in the wilderness...it's burn baby burn...

    But it's also good to have access / fire brakes up to the wilderness.
  15. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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    EDIT - ooops, I was typing while you guys were posting -


    That was closed after the Cache mountain fire and was posted so last time I looked at it. Super fun actual historical wagon route that goes right up to Big Lake. Jeeps and others enjoyed the steep rocky sections and formerly dark, forested gully.

    Sisters Ranger District would be the place to start an inquiry about opening it up again. Perhaps a formal presentation regarding an organized effort would be prudent? We have some contacts if you'd like us to reach out?

    The Cross District trail section that me & MrDualsport explored would be extremely hard to route around even with chainsaws as it is on a steep side hill, there's a crap load of down, burnt trees from the Black Crater fire a few years ago and thick manzanita hiding stumps, also there are existing road work arounds - the old trail is way more fun though :clap. Probably worth a call to the same agency about their plans for the route because it is on the maps and within the current travel management area.
  16. sprocket3

    sprocket3 Been here awhile

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    What this track really needs is a guy from Tumalo to dial things in from the Sisters area to Little Cultus Lake.
  17. Hohmie

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    That would be the simplest!

    I know there have been closures due to fires the OHV reroute etc. and there is a bit of privately owned timberland in the area....but I think there is a way to get through unless it is just totally closed as Wachs has mentioned (hopefully the whole area isn't closed because we just cut x-mas trees in the area a couple months ago).
    Are there any groups maintaining the Cross District trail?
    And I wonder how far the next fuel stop is towards the Crescent area w/out slab.

    The last time I stopped at the Sisters ranger station for maps they told me to go to EFR to ride. Fuggers
  18. sprocket3

    sprocket3 Been here awhile

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    I know there is normally fuel at Elk Lake Resort. What about Cultus lake? There are plenty of roads North and West of these potential fuel stops. Could we run from Detroit to Elk Lake Resort / Cultus Lake on one tank of fuel by bypassing some of the OBCDR #3 that winds back and forth for miles?

    Heading south towards one of these stops cuts out driving East all the way to Sister and keeps closer to the Cascades Theme, where I think of Sister and some of that Route 3 as more Central Oregon. Part of route 3 is awesome though and I'd like to keep riding it, but if this is to be an all new route it should be more efficient.


    http://www.cultuslakeresort.com/CultusLakeResort_Marina.html

    They might be willing to sell fuel to adv riders in order to get traffic to the resort.
  19. wachs

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    That's easy with the exception of sections of the Cross District Trail mentioned earlier. You have to ride a little bit of Cascade Lakes hwy but we've done that several times and much further south. Awaiting a call back from Sisters Ranger District with details about the CDT :deal
  20. sprocket3

    sprocket3 Been here awhile

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    Awesome. Thanks for the help, and I'll get out there this spring to do some scouting with you.