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Discussion in 'Southeast, The Lair of the Dragon - The Blue Ridge' started by HBN, Nov 3, 2008.
If you win real big, get me one in red.
You know you could change the head light bolts on the sides for ones with built in turn signals. That would be cool. That Charlie Boreman scrambler had them.
While I do sort of like the minimalist look, I like them a little bigger. Also, if my memory serves me correct, VA requires that they be 9" or more from the center of the nearest headlight, so I'm not sure those would pass. But I may be wrong.
They Would not meet the book. But if they’re bright enough they may still get passed.
I miss the garage I used to take my bikes to for inspection. The mechanic was great. Inspections consisted of the following 4 questions:
1) Does it stop good?
2) Do the lights work?
3) Do them tires stop good in the rain?
4) Where do you want your sticker put?
Hypothetically, of course, does anyone here have any hypothetical really close personal friends who don't bother with the Virginia state inspections or let them lapse for months (or longer!) before renewing?
I don't bother getting an inspection unless I need to in order to get out of a ticket. My reasoning is simple: I know my bikes condition better than anyone spending 5 minutes on it will ever discover. Since my life depends on it being safe paying someone who knows less about my bike than I do for the sake of a sticker rubs me the wrong way.
I offer any cop who asks about my missing inspection the explanation above. If they tell me they're going to write me a ticket for not having a sticker I ask them to give me a spot inspection to prove me wrong if their intent is actually about my safety versus just writing a chicken shyt ticket.
Hey, I like cops! We needs cops! It's great to have them around when they are needed! But when they start writing pointless tickets just to screw up someone elses day... that I don't like.
I did when I lived down there. Let mine lapse frequently and for long periods of time. Always got caught eventually.
Once a Bridgewater cop was going the other way and turned around. I was pulling into the Exxon. I was out of my truck when he pulled up next to me laughing. Said he wasn't even looking for an expired sticker but when it is a different color it kind of stands out. Probably expired more than a year,don't remember.
He didn't write me up for it.
I did get my DRZ inspected but not my Interceptor.
My lady got pulled over twice recently for an expired sticker... Primary reason she got stopped. Nothing else. Two times in less than a mile
She got a warning
We never get away with that anymore. It was easier to in the old days but they take "the law" so seriously now. Judgements can't be made anymore. People have been drilled that discrimination is bad. It requires effort. "Zero tolerance", or in other words they're too lazy for thinking anything through. And that's "okay" because that's what they were taught in school.
In fairness to the LEO side of the house -- and for reasons that, IMO, if stated here, would likely lead to thread toxicity -- they are under such official and other 24/7 scrutiny and review, police and other LEO's have lost the ability to exercise discretion.
"Back in the day" there were no doubt excesses of all sorts (and that is an understandable reason for reform), but most cops knew how to look the other way now and then. There were many things -- and I may have committed some of those! -- that were not beneath official notice, but neither were they worth a second glance.
But, sigh, just as some of us pine for the return of the horse cavalry, our wishes for that and the present subject are doomed. C'est la effing vie.
As for state inspections, I shall continue to be a resident of Hypothetica.
Cops still have discretion and are allowed to use their judgement to discriminate threats from silliness. Some are spirit of the law sorts but it seems more robotic letter of the law sorts are being attracted into the profession. The latter requires less heart and less brain. I'll just go ahead and say it: la vee.
I'm not alone in remembering when cops took their role as peace officers to help people stay safe. That has gently morphed over the years to watch for law breakers and prosecute them. Remember the cop who would assist the elderly lady cross the street? It would be a rare one now who would hoist himself out of his car for that these days. But heaven forbid if you don't come to a complete stop at the sign. And if he's going after that guy, don't count on him stopping to break up a fight when kids are tussling. There's no revenue in that.
We've had some newly elected legislators go after established stupid stuff in Virginia such as the ABC and vehicle inspections. It doesn't last long. Once they get schooled by the establishment that these things are in place to exercise control over the citizens while providing vast income for them to appropriate, plus realize the citizenry is so apathetic opposing change of any kind, they concede their efforts.
So we still are required to deal with the hassle and expense of annual inspections. Typically people just act surprised, claim they didn't notice or forgot, get the ticket, then go to court with the inspection receipt and the judge forgives everything but the "court costs". If yer on the other side of the state then you probably just send in the full amount of the ticket. About eight years between inspections is the break-even point for that.
If you are, or previously were, in law enforcement, then you just include your card along with your license & registration. Then the citation stop turns into a roadside chat. Discretion/discrimination at work.
I get a kick out of the old TV show "COPS". A guy, obviously injured and in need of possible life saving first aid. Officer..."hang on buddy, the fire department is on the way". Never even helps the guy. I know they have to deal with a lot of jerks and losers, so they probably just get hardened up and become more mechanical. People can be real jerks
I got pulled over for an expired sticker on my truck once. Several months past the expiration. I got a warning. Probably helped I wasn't an arrogant dick to the cop and treated him with respect, but I digress.
I never mind inspections. I know my bikes pretty well too, but I have no issue with having a second set of eyes look everything over for something I may have missed. And that's pretty much the point.
I used to think it was a bit of an unnecessary check as well, until I worked at a place where plenty of bikes came in that shouldn't have even been on the road, despite the owners claiming they had everything squared away. Because they had more "know-how" than our techs, or the always popular "I have a buddy that said it was fine." Unfortunately, unless your buddy is a VA state inspector, it doesn't count.
I've seen brake pads worn into the carriers, forks leaking oil "like they normally do", signals that never work, a headlight that does "when I need it to", and tires worn well past the wear indicators because "my boyfriend said the tread only has to be the width of a penny, and he's ridden for 20 years". I even saw a silencer bolted directly to the swingarm, and cuts made in the head-pipe so it could flex. We would hear argument after argument from people who had ridden for decades, knew what the law was, had more time on their machine than any of the techs, yet would miss obvious safety issues and would argue the infraction even when shown the law and have it explained to them in small words.
There are some people who know the ins and outs of their bike better than anyone else on the planet. But there are far more who don't, and that's why we have inspections. Again, I never have a problem with having a second set of eyes look over my machine once a year, just for safety sake. I have zero issue with it, it doesn't hurt my pride, and I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm perfect and never make mistakes.
That's an interesting take on it. Yep, there will always be a few folks that knowingly ride a POS on the road, here in VA they often have valid inspection stickers... VA and every other state I know of has defective equipment laws, an officer is free to write someone a ticket for being on the road with a vehicle that doesn't make the grade. Only 19 states out of 50 require periodic vehicle safety inspections, all have defective equipment laws I'd bet (as they should).
Just remember that it was a trained "professional" that left that spacer out of your rear hub that I was able to diagnose for you without ever seeing your bike. :)
Oh techs make mistakes too. Nobody is without shortcomings. But that's why I agree with inspections.
My expired sticker experience: The state police set up on the on-ramp to I 66 westbound in rush hour and pulled everybody with dead sticker. No arguments. IIRC about $65 + some admin cost. The majority of people have no idea what is right or wrong with their vehicle -- as long as it moves forward when they step on the gas. It's good to have somebody look for big problems periodically. But yeah, a motorcycle inspection can sometimes not be very much. I took my 76 BMW in and he looked at the disk pads, I cycled through the lights and horn. He wasn't interested in checking the master cylinder reservoir under the tank. My thinking is that if something does fail and cause an accident, if I have had the bike inspected I've performed due diligence wit respect to the safety of the bike, in that a vehicle operator is not required to be a mechanic. If I take a pass on inspections I take on more legal responsibility.
When people start advocating for shucking personal responsibility placing it on the collective, it's obvious which side of the aisle they're on.
These are exactly the kinds of arguments used to motivate the formation of a nanny state. There's a few who benefit from securing a leading role and the crowd buying in, they really are as dumb as they seem.
What do they say about committee decisions? The decision a leader makes is his; that made by a group is no one's.
It's not necessary to have a law in order for people to have their vehicles inspected. I believe everyone should be responsible for their own equipment, whether they see to it themselves or take it to someone. To truly advance safety simply make the penalties stiff for operating an unsafe vehicle on public roadways.
You may want to reconsider the logic of this. The first sentence negated the second.
There's no fender benders with motorcycles, meaning that if your brakes fail and you slam into something your chances of injury or death are considerably greater than if in a cage. If you make it, then you'll rethink if passing the inspection without looking at the master reserve constituted due diligence.
Liked mine even better:
1) Can I hear horn?
2) Lights and brakes all good?
3) Here's the sticker - don't forget to put it on! (I hate stickers on forks and just carried it with registration hoping I could talk my way out of it if stopped...).
Funny thing is they were pretty much the same with cars and this past year, for the second time that I know of, lost their DMV license :-/