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Discussion in 'Northeast - Greater Flugistan and home of the carp' started by Seth650, Nov 29, 2013.
Are the Catskill NY state land snowmobile trails (legally) rideable? Never saw a motorcycle on one.
With snow or without?
Most of the NY state snowmobile trails cross private lands. In the summer months fences, etc go up, blocking access.
I doubt it.
Can't say in the Catskills but in the North Country the majority are not (legally) rideable. There are exceptions though as many connectors etc are on unplowed town roads which you have every right to be on.
That is not to say that I haven't taken the TW200 out on them quite a bit
Be forewarned though that 98% of the people you meet on snowmobiles will yell things at you, call you names, etc. because you are "tearing up their trails" which they spent a lot of money to groom and turn into super highways
Ever see what a wheeled vehicle will do to a snowmobile trail?
Though when the conditions are right for a bike it won't even leave tracks.
You better not mess up their drunk highways!
How are the locals supposed to get from bar to bar in the winter if you tear the shit up of their trails riding on the dirt during the summer and piss off the land owners?
The snowmobiles are "tolerated" since the snow "protects" the ground.
Now that's fucked up right there.
So anybody who rides a sled is a drunk?
I also was refering to tearing up the snow covered trails ,not during the summer.
I guess there is no jest in this thread.
Nearly all of the 10,000 miles of snowmobile trails in NY are cut, signed, maintained and groomed by volunteers in over 200 clubs state wide. Signs magically go up in the fall and come down in the spring, thanks to the 5% or less of snowmobile riders who step up to do all the work.
These same volunteers have to go door to door, every year, and obtain permission for those trails to cross private landowners' land. Even though the NYS Snowmobile Association carries a large liability insurance policy, many landowners are reluctant to agree to have a trail on their property.
98% of the trail system is on private land, and it only takes one sled with loud pipes, one ATV out for a joy ride, or one dirt bike tearing it up before the season starts, to close a segment of trail. Then those volunteers have to find a re-route.
The whole operation is only partially reimbursed from the Snowmobile Trail Fund, which is funded by snowmobile registration dollars (not tax dollars from the general public). The cost of maintaining snowmobile trails exceeds what is collected in registration dollars, so guess what, those volunteers in the snowmobile clubs hold fundraisers to make up the difference.
The snowmobile trail system is a fragile thing. Please - don't break it.
As for snowmobilers being largely drunks, that is a stereotype, and that too is changing. Law enforcement has a presence on the trails and the tickets stick.
The author is the General Manager of the New York State Snowmobile Association.
So you're just trolling?
Yup, trolling. Exactly. You must be on to me.
I guess you missed the 2nd half of my post that was entirely serious.
"in the winter if you tear the shit up of their trails riding on the dirt during the summer and piss off the land owners?
The snowmobiles are "tolerated" since the snow "protects" the ground."
I've been up there, ridden a bunch of the snowmobile trails years back. The system is amazing. One conversation with someone "in the know" and it is plain as day how fragile the whole situation is.
Of course, if you hang out in a bar while on a trip any time of the year and get on the topic of snowmobiles, there is always some drunk who "can't wait for the season" so he doesn't have to deal with the police on his "ride" home.
I truly hope they do crack down on the drunk snowmobiling. All it will take is some drunk asshat to kill someone's kid out on a snowmobiling/camping journey and the whole thing is over.
So what are you getting at?
Do you condone riding where you clearly shouldn't?
Is it ok if it just fucks snowmobilers?
Do landowners not have the right to decide to let sleds and not ATV's and bikes on their land?
Did you just listen to one drunk asshole talk about drinking and riding or actually have some firsthand experience about "drunk snowmobilers".
Snowmobiles generate a lot of money for townships up here in St Lawrence County that have trail system access. They are a powerful lobby group for local trail use, probably the equivalent of the AMA, They may be thought of as "bar to bar" when really its " lodging to fuel stop to fuel stop to restaurant to lodging" You should probably stay on their good side. Our local ATV groups have gained more access to these trails but much is private land with limited and or questionable availability. For some reason the ATV clubs arent in love with motorcycles either? Also during the summer months these trails can be unpassable as frozen water is easier to travel on, and deep snow hides a lot of obstacles. That's the beauty of it for the landowner is that there is no damage to their property. If you ran several hundred motorcycles across a trail for three months in the summer it wouldn't be much of a trail, and the land owner would be pissed. Im not saying its fair, Ive ridden around gates and ended up in camp backyards, its just the way it is. Hi Operose. emti
Where do you read ANY of that in what I wrote?
I don't condone anything. Each individual is responsible for their own actions. Who the hell am I to "condone" it and what would it even matter? Go ahead, next time you get pulled over tell the cop I condoned your offense. Let me know how that goes.
Who wants to fuck snowmobilers? I assume there are some that might be hot, but from the ones I have seen most are men statistically and that just isn't my thing.
I believe a landowner should be able to decide whatever they like. Show up on my land uninvited and you'll find me with a sidearm asking why.
I've seen plenty. I've run into guys talking about bar hopping on at least 3 separate occasions while hanging out in upstate NY on vacations for other reasons. When I rented a snowmobile to go exploring, the manager even commented about how many people use the trails for bar hopping.
I'm not sure why you are singling me out as some vicious person. I made one comment in jest, further DEFENDING the snowmobile trail system and pointing out that bikes/atvs damage the land in manners that would result to trails closing.
I'm not sure where you read that I want every person to get out there ATVs with open pipes and fresh knobbies to do donuts on every cemetery in upstate NY, but I'm pretty sure you are misunderstanding my posts.
Clearly my sense of humor didn't come through to the internet. Sorry, seriously, sorry. I didn't mean to piss anyone off.
I think the snowmobile trail system in NY is completely awesome and an asset that I hope to get more chances to enjoy.
And back to the OP's question..."No, you cannot legally ride the Catskill snowmobile trails on anything other than a snowmobile pursuant to the rules of the land."
So snowmobiles are"tolerated" because the ground is protected.
Your vast experience renting sleds has shown you there's a problem with alcohol and riding.
Great,have a nice day.
Fuck you,you jrunk snowmobile'n Eco terrorist!
You just need a bike ride.
Wow. You just won't give up, will you?
Go ahead, go ride an ATV through a farm field. "A trail is a trail". I'm sure when the farmer comes back and sees what 1 season of wheeled vehicles does he won't be signing up for that snowmobile trail next year. It is a FACT that the snow protects the ground underneath from the damage a snowmobile COULD cause.
Look, we ALL know how these situations work. EVERYTHING this forum stands for is on thin ice as eco-nazis and the general public doesn't like ANY of the activities this collective enjoys:
In most of the off road riding threads everyone cracks down on "image". From what I have seen, in MY experience, the guys I ran into in upstate didn't seem to realize the TREASURE they had in the snowmobile trail system. The image the locals I ran into on multiple occasions in different locations was not a positive one. In fact, talking to people in other areas of the Northeast about it, all seemed to know the stereotype.
Obviously there are exceptions to every stereotype, and most stereotypes aren't even the norm. However, this damages the image nonetheless.
Say what you want about me just being a "renter". Fine. Fuck me. I won't come pour my money in any more.
I don't remember the exact costs, but I can tell you this:
6 guys renting a house for a weekend, eating at restaurants for 3 meals/day, paying to rent snowmobiles and buying gas and supplies we were too stupid to bring (think balaclavas here) certainly dumped some good cash into the local economy.
I'm not sure what is up your ass about what I have posted. I've done nothing but tout how awesome the trail system is, and I even tried to prevent the OP from threatening it by riding his motorcycle on it no matter how cool that seems or even LOGICAL it might seem.
I merely stated that I didn't get the feeling from the locals that I have run into that they truly understood what they had there, and that they were willing to put it all at risk to be able to bar hop in the snow.
I know the roads are solidly salted and the weather is cold, but go for a ride man. You seem tense.
One if my cousins lives in Vermont. This summer at the beach house he was bitching about how many of his snowmobiling friends can't go into Canada because of..................DUI's.
Funny how most stereotypes are somehow based in truth.
I hope the snowmobiling community in that area is able to clean up it's image. It sucks when the whole group gets painted with the same brush............but it's not like some smear campaign based on nothing.
Oh yeah, I've stopped riding my bike some places that cleary do not appreciate how much money motorcyclists spend in their otherwise dead economy...................so fuck them.
Just curious,did your cousin's friends get their DUI's in cars or on sleds?
This painting with a single brush you speak of is what looks to be happening here .
Personally I think that's fucked up.
Now meatstick has his panties wadded up so tight it's cut off the circulation to his brain .
Or so it seems from that last book of gibberish .