CCM 450 Adventure

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by ktmmitch, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. dashmoto

    dashmoto Serial Tinkerer

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    Harsh, but not entirely unfair ;-)

    And I entirely agree with the other bit - that bike with a DRZ lump in, awesome. With the BMW motor in... might be a laugh as a rally bike, but for big distance use?

    But then CCM can only use what they can buy - and even if every manufacturer was prepared to sell to them, what actually is there in terms of 400-450, trail/dualsport motors out there?
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  2. JensEskildsen

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    The 5 speed of the 660 IS pretty wide, compared to fx the drz.... or even the 6 speed ktm690 as I recall.

    6 speed wide-ratio like the ktm exc's is just so much better than the narrowspeed bikes, and even the pretty wide-ratio 5 speeds. (IMO)
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  3. a1fa

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    Motorfiets has done the Trans-Am trail on the G450X. He can tell you all about it.... Generalizing about 5 speed versus 6 speed is a moot point, unless we are taking gear ratios - including final-drive ratios.

    Having ridden G450X (2.80 BMW G450X (5 speed) 14.10) back to back to WR250R (3.36 Yamaha WR250R/WR250X (6-speed) 16.99), I can tell you there is not much difference in terms of cruising RPM, vibrations, and feel of the motor at 60mph, 5th or 6th gear respectively. Hence why I got rid of the WR250R for the instant throttle gratification I received from G450X. I'm not interested in prolong exposure at 70mph, or 80mph for that matter.

    The G450X motor is as strong as they get, and I would personally choose it over the DRZ400 motor.. There are plenty of high mileage motors reported in the G450X thread. Race/abuse/ any bike, and it will need serious maintenance, some sooner, some later.

    Thanks to montesa_vr for keeping track of the gear ratios.
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  4. Motorfiets

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    yup :puke1 :lol3


    it was great fun and the perfect bike going there... but on the return trip it was no fun...

    fuel range was not great even with the safari tank.

    If hope they have significantly increased the fuel capacity of the CCM and installed a 6 speed...

    like many have said.... what's a DRZ? "the constant search for 6th gear" - it does make a world of an addition
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  5. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Love it

    6th gear schimth gear; if this is RTW ready, I don't see many over-landers breaking 50mph anyway.

    130kg dry, 40bhp, fully adjustable suspension. Nice.
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  6. Fishfund

    Fishfund Been here awhile

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    I do RTW riding, and I want this to have the golden wide ratio 6th gear. When I ride I get over 50 mph everyday. I don't think I've ever ridden through any country where I kept it under 50 mph.
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  7. minkyhead

    minkyhead Been here awhile

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    ive read and read on this bike and donor engine .. i dont live far on this planet from the ccm factory
    im not sure if this will be a full on long distance adventure bike ..but i hope im wrong
    any way a phonecall and a hours ride and im looking at the prototype bike

    ive visited the ccm factory and looked at the prototype and seen a race bike under construction with the exact same frame tecnolagy ..
    my main riding is local or semi local weekend meets ..i usually do one big trip a year maby 4/5000 miles
    i currantly use a xt660 tenere and a klr 650 for the longer trips but desperatly need somthing lighter and more managable as i like to do some trail riding sometimes quite tough and the bigger bikes are a real handful im not a great offroad talent but ive done a lot of off roading and the big adventure bikes are too heavy ..the main cause of my falls ..not all of course but mostly
    i dont want to buy a pogo again i want to be able to ride to where im going ..trail the day after and ride back a typical weekend would be 500 miles maby 5/6 hours off road

    i havnt got the full details as they are still in consideration

    what i can tell you is
    the buid quality of the frame and cycle parts is really fab
    alloy frame and spine high quality ..glues at the headstock light and impressive
    swingarms are high quality with the ccm logo cut in ..foot pegs and cycle parts are high quality
    talon pegs .. wheels and centres are high qhality i dontb think there is a cush drive but the swingarm setup and torque converter may offset this for the road ?
    its the bmw sprocket swingarm set up
    gears im presuming 5 silly i know but i didnt ask
    fiinal drive i dont know im presuming 15/ somthing 45?? 47 ?? 70mph highway cruising is on the cards
    the constuction and cycle parts are very high quality
    dash is neat sat nav option fiished nice in carbon /lookalike facia ?
    bashplate looks very good and protective
    ive got a centre stand ordered its not done yet but will be a light alloy construction
    hand guards look acerbis alloy jobs ..may be wrong

    the tank range is 18 litres 250 mile range auxilery tank under all new frame and subfra,me
    rear rack .. neat tidy a little small i think ..25kgms carrying capacity
    im pretty sure the racks and panniers are metal mule /optoional extra

    exhaust is bespoke for ccm and a light alloy consruction it looks really neat

    suspension is by the dutch guys from w/power who sold to ktm
    the electric preload is a optional extra
    forks are 47ml cartarge

    oil capacity has been increased with a auxilery tank
    service interval ...this is interesting 7500 km 5000 miles ?? but i may be tempted to drop a couple of pil changes in

    renthal bars billet hangars look s you would expect
    all cables are well lon enough for risers should you need them

    ergos the peg seat arrangmet is very natural for my 6ft frame the fairing is neat with the small screen looking high enough to be effective
    the tank spits two pods one for fuel one false to gain easy access to the airbox the battery and elecrics an be accesses from the cover on the top of the spine and a re easy to get too
    the wiring is neat and prcise a lot of which is housed in the frame ..not rats nest hear neat tidy organised pecise
    waranty 1year

    dry weight 125kgms

    power output electrical .. i wouldnt plan for more than some oxford grips
    tyres optional i chose dunlop 606s are for starters
    front mudguard ..will be higher on the stock bike a high beak is optional if you want /or need it

    price either 7995 or 7795 uk pounds

    was i impressed by it ....its so much better than the pictures you and i have seen
    it could be quite special i think

    maby overkill for my needs ..ive got a klr and tenere that weigh 200 kgms wet and chuck out 47 and 42 hp
    the ccm is going to be i dunno 140 kgms wet and 42 hp should be fun to ride

    there remains the option of a 52bhp plug and ride but i imagine it would increase service strain and probably shhot me through awall ..but its a consideration some may want to expore
    do i have any doubts well hell yes but its such a nice bike so well thhought out and the engineering is
    great to look at



    what did i do .....well i had to give it a go well thought out and impressive

    i know what people are going to say about the service costs and such but im gonna find out but it sure looks like a great duel sport in the purest sense

    one thig it will not be working anywhere near its remit with my ageing fat ass on it :lol3

    please understand this info is in good faith but not official in anyway and is subject to any changes that ccm decide on later
    and the bike in the pictures is a prototype and not the finished aricle

    wish me luck and ccm also :clap

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  8. a1fa

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    just wow...
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  9. avgas

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    I need one of these in my life... I just can't stop looking at it.
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  10. Andrew

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    Minky, you have a unique voice. :lol3

    Thanks for sharing these tidbits and morsels with us.
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  11. Crazy Canadian

    Crazy Canadian All who wander r not lost

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    Okay now I really want one... Might have to move back to England to get it but... I will have it!
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  12. Evil Invader

    Evil Invader Been here awhile

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    Cool. I like! 140ish kg and 50+bhp should be ok. :wink:

    Hope there will be a taller seat avalible. Did I here anyone say "Rally"? :evil
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  13. Kawidad

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  14. ThomasVolomitz

    ThomasVolomitz New Old Stock

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    Where do we sign up?
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  15. Foot dragger

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    Out of all the 450 engines in the world,they picked the only one that is a complete oddball and has never gained acceptance for much of anything............But the bike itself is really slick looking,I like the idea of an Adventure bike that isnt a mammoth sized poser bike. Nothing good can come of using that BMW designed engine though.
    The CS sprocket having the same center as the swingarm pivot............seems neat but even BMW dropped it on the new Husky/BMW.
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  16. Foot dragger

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    I agree,my DR650 may only be good for certain sorts of off road travel,but on the hiway its happy enough at 70 or even 80 with no undue vibration. Big dirt roads in Colorado or Oregon are fun on a bike that can do 75mph all day with no stress.
    My 2011 530 starts pulling hard at 70mph and will zap up to a 100,wide ratios are good.

    50mph is droning.
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  17. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    I share your concern to a degree, although primarily mine would be the clutch longevity - being crank mounted, it spins much faster than a regular clutch of that size, and therefore can get hotter and fade/fail in tough conditions...

    That said, no one really makes a current 450cc engine that is truly ideal for this role - they are all race/performance orientated these days, with limited oil capacity and correspondingly shorter change intervals... and I'm sure CCM had little choice than to go with what was available from their partner/supplier Kymco. I'm sure it would be simple enough to add an oil cooler circuit and increase capacity that way, to help keep things (including the clutch!) cool on the production bikes?


    What I find interesting about this thread is that if this bike was a KTM, or even a Husqvarna, people would be cutting off limbs to afford it (5 speeds and close-ratio gearboxes and all!) without even seeing or riding it... in that respect, I think Minkyhead has done a fantastic job here for CCM here by actually poking around with the real thing?

    Jx

    (btw. for info - the current Husky 449 still has the same concentric output shaft position as it did on the BMW G450 version, its just the swing arm pivot bolt doesn't go all the way through now, so it is slightly easier to change the front sprocket).
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  18. dashmoto

    dashmoto Serial Tinkerer

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    I'd bet the likes of Speedbrain or Bianchi Prata already have an oil cooler available to bolt straight onto the motor, and it couldn't be that hard to find a home for it in that fairing.
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  19. jasonmt

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    ?? Still there on the 449 / 511 bikes and it is a whopping 10 minute job to change the CS sprocket (and you get to grease your swingarm pivots at the same time):

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  20. eakins

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    yeah I wondered that too. especially now since BMW has said the dirt market is dead and we're completely out.

    i'm sure the CCM guys are now saying , uh why the hell did we pick BMW and that engine. they better figure out a new setup pronto or no one is gonna touch it for fear that BMW will provide zero help and diminishing parts. add to that the aftermarket never fully embrace the 450 BMW.

    I understand there is no ideal motor but why pick the engine from way in left field? when you're in bum-fuck east with problems I can tell you you'll find no BMW 450 support. you will find KTM 450 support as well as Yamaha and Honda support.

    no doubt it is a way cool bike but they have shoe horned it into a very narrow group of buyers.
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