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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by velocitygear, Nov 5, 2009.
Sounds like a simple swap would be the way to go...
Work for you?
Fine by me. I'll get these in the mail tomorrow. When can you get the XLS sent out?
They'll go out tomorrow via USPS...
The larger gloves which you exchanged for me arrived lickity-split, and they broke in nicely today on a 150 mile ride. I have a few comments to share:
1- The wing-shaped end on the wrist strap keeps it from pulling out of the metal roller, something my Exhibition Pros do that can be frustrating. Kudos for a really simple and effective solution to that annoyance.
2- The range of adjustment on the cuff itself is great, and I can snug it up enough to go under the sleeves on my Motoport jacket without creating an uncomfortable bulge. Jackets with less material should be easy to tuck into your cuffs with no problem as well.
3- The extra length on the cuffs does not interfere with my wrists at all, and they soon should be as comfortable as my Exhibition Pros, which are perfectly comfortable and get worn for 10 hour days often.
4- I think the Formulas flow less air than the E. Pros, and are a good choice for Spring/Fall. Today's ride was in the mid-seventies, and my hands were just fine. High 90's? We'll see...
5- I have Fin Q grips, and I notice that I sometimes blip the throttle when reaching for the brake because of the thickness of the Knox palm sliders. Folks who use a crampbuster, etc., may need to reposition the angle of it when wearing these gloves.
6- The quality of construction appears to be excellent, and at this price your Formula gloves are a steal!
Thanks so much for turning my exchange around so quickly, and I am very glad that I waited out your rough period and now have two pairs of your gloves. They put everything else I have seen to shame in terms of protection and value.
Thank You SSEVY- I build my products for the riders NOT for profit. Product quality and integrity is my goal, not bottom line economics or the pursuit of world domination. Although, with the current degradation of the CE glove mark, I have little doubt that we build the strongest gloves on the planet and will continue to do so, while the Industry chases the downgraded glove CE mark! and claims CE passable achievement..
Our top tier gloves will ONLY conform to the original EN13594------------ ... STAMP IT
Order placed for Formula gloves, size Large. Looking forward to test them!
Sent you a separate email to your support email address- the XLs I have fit, and I've worn them a few times, but the liners are killing me- they pull out when I take the gloves off, need to wrestle them back in place when I go to put the gloves back on... They fit fine other than that. Do you have any gloves less liners? And others experienced this? Do I need an even larger size (the XLs seem to fit well other than this liner issue).
Other than this, great product!
The liner has been a question; so far though, most of those that are looking for the utmost in protetion, would rather keep the liner loose.
The reason? Attaching the liner throughout the gloves, makes the glove chassis about 30% weaker. In all actuality, we can afford that and still stay within the original En13594 testing criteria. I think in the end, the liner will end up being fully attached. The feel to me is worth the 30% reduction in overall strength; again, we can afford that given our current testing figures.
I do have a pair of gloves I can swap with you though, it's actually the same type of build that was sent to Motorcyclist Magazine, earning a 2nd place in one of their shot-outs...
Do you really need the liner? Most gloves are unlined. I also find the liner on my gloves a bit rough in texture - yeah, I have wimpy soft skin...
John, I sent you an email a while ago. When are you expecting the 2013 Exhibitions in stock? I love my Formulas but need a short cuff glove as well.
I have mechanics/farmer hands and the liners on these can chaff and rub a bit. What's the other pair like? Liners are stiched in?
Do I need the liner? Not necessarily but I'm not in a position to be able to test all of the alternatives. The current "chassis" is preferred for me due to it's simplicity. The hard part is getting it put together correctly.
What I've come to notice;
There is a market for the true En13594 capable glove. Doctors, dentists and those that rely on their hands have shown an interest in such a glove, so I will continue to offer it with a fully attached liner. I consider it the "World Beater" as I believe it is the strongest motorcycle glove made.
The secondary class glove is what I will also be offering for track enthusiasts who need a responsive glove and the liner just doesn't work in this application, at least not in FULL en13594 mode. While the glove could be built differently to lessen some of these issues, the thickness overall is the first thing track guys have an issue with.
To me, from the carnage I've seen in regard to glove failures, it would be more appropriate to build a glove using JUST the EN13594 seam burst testing protocol. A "seam burst resistant" glove for people who want a race glove or one built "normally". -----PRIOR this is what you are being sent...
For those that have followed this thread., Thank You. While it's taking a lot longer than I would have liked, the future looks good.
Waterproof glove in the works
Persistence pays off
~How about testing a prototype?
~Kangaroo or cowhide or the "CE" build- kangaroo palms and leather construction mix?
~size again? Use the size you "normally" wear, don't base sizing on our previous stuff...
~Price would vary depending on construction. Kangaroo/cowhide is the best performance for the lowest cost of the options..
Thanks for the update on the other gloves. Looking forward to trying them out. I do understand the tradeoff between safety and convenience for sure. I commute darn near every day of the year here in NC, and typically am out on the bike 4-6 times a day for short trips, so I am ok with sacrificing some protection with the ease of getting the gloves on and off. These are solidly built, and so far my time with the pair I have has been good, other than the liners. Really hoping the new style works out, I need to find a good durable glove for everyday use (I can wear out Helds, Lee Parks, Aerostich and A Star gloves within 9 months).
Thanks for your persistence, and I'd love to be a test mule too!
Any word on a waterproof version?
I have a pair being made specifically for an ADVRider member. I should see that order within 2 weeks. Unfortunately, getting any more would take about 4 weeks to receive. I'm thinking about another ADVRider glove group buy but haven't made a decision..
Really, it's up to the members, the current glove quality is better than past efforts but I like to prove it, rather than just declare it. It's not my call, it's my customers who dictate..
It takes as little as 20 people to make a group buy happen, so?? What say you?
What model would you base a waterproof version on?
Four weeks isn't a concern but I'd imagine a realistic time frame might be February (fine with me) with the holidays coming up?
If a group buy came together, what would be an approximate price?
BTW - will you be at the Vancouver MC show in January or Seattle MC show in February?
A H20 version would be based on the Formula in all black.
I don't go to any Industry shows, as a sole proprietor the costs outweigh the benefits.