CE Spec Motorcycle Gloves- Group Buy

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by velocitygear, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Ok, so what are you doing different?

    I'm not trolling. I mean, I'm buying a pair of gloves from you! Just trying to understand what you do different to allow you to use a stronger thread than the others. Is it that your leather is that much better/stronger? Are you reinforcing around seams somehow? What about the argument that more holes = less strength? ie: somewhere to blow vs. one continuous piece of material (cowhide, kangaroo etc.)?
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  2. velocitygear

    velocitygear safety =~SPEED

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    No worries, good questions. Unfortunately, I'm not quite willing to spell out exactly how we build our gloves. Our "little secret", if you will...

    More holes equals less strength if you're not addressing the next weakest link. Double stitching is better than single stitching, assuming that the stitching is spaced properly. Even then though, thread will tear through leather. There isn't one solution to pass these physical testing requirments, every problem must be addressed individually, then as a whole.

    Realistically, after pursuing this for so long, I'm pretty confident I could build CE passing gloves using a few different techniques. Really, I think that glove construction and manufacturing is LAZY beyond asthetics. They all look great but that's where it ends. There are exceptions- Held for example.

    Sorry, I wasn't very helpful with specific's. I've spent alot of time working on this project and I'm going to keep my lips sealed until RIDE magazine (or anyone else) does a testing review ;)
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  3. Droptarotter

    Droptarotter Long timer

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    Can you tell me the difference between the Prodigy glove and the Formula glove?
    I don't see any difference in the descriptions.

    How long before this offer expires?
    If we order now, how long before we receive them?
    Can I get either one in all black?

    Cheers
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  4. Miles Tugeaux

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  5. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Fair enough!
    Speaking of Held gloves, I'm a solid 9(L) in Held. Would that still put me in a Med. in yours?
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  6. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Considering Prodigy in addition to the Exhibition Pro's. Once they arrive though, I may decide I just want one of them. I just want to check them out to confirm that both would suit my needs.

    Will this statement from your returns/exchanges page hold me to restocking of 15%? That's a deal breaker for me..

    This being said, we attempt to resolve any issues or situations our customers may have with poducts. If an item is returned for no specific reason, a reason that is not due to the actual product itself, or if an exchange option is not exercised in regard to sizing issues, all refunds will incur original shipping and/or restocking charges up to 15% of the original purchase price.
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  7. velocitygear

    velocitygear safety =~SPEED

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    There was a post; where did it go? Don't tell me he removed it?

    Well, I spent way too much time looking for RIDE magazine and that article. I have it on SD but there's some nonsense going on between my SD card and my PC. All good on the Laptop...whatever

    Here's what I had so far:

    Good stuff. I appreciate a little resistance.

    Firstly, I'm not going to pretend I know everything about apparel safety. I learn as I go through the testing process. This was my first passage through the EU testing procedures. That "process" has taught me a few things about glove construction and unless you've been through the testing yourself, one can't really know what to expect. It's a process of learning and adaptation, at least at my level. I do not have a zillionth of the resources of a company like Dainese nor do I intend to. That, my friend is THE PROBLEM. A company like Dainese should step it up and I'll prove, at least to myself, why ;) with 2 examples:

    1- the painful reality- GRAPHIC

    DAINESE GLOVES & NYLON

    http://www.ducatipilot.com/showthread.php?t=103

    2- I can scan and post it if necessary, but #2 would be my first hand experience and testing FAILURE using nylon thread. I trusted a manufacturer (who I no longer deal with) to provide a CE passing glove. They even had a independent PPE "professional" go over the requirements with them prior to testing. I balked at the idea of using nylon thread but was "assured" by my manufacturer that there would be no problems passing the testing requirments. This manufacturer was so confident, he paid the expense to produce and ship the gloves to SATRA UK for testing and I paid for the testing.

    What did he say when we received the testing results?

    and I quote "I cannot accept those testing results. We built the best gloves we know how and I cannot accept those results".

    and no, ^ that's not a joke...

    Where did our gloves fail: SEAMS

    Why? "thread broke" as per Peter D. of SATRA UK


    Now I had a "contractual" agreement with this manufacturer. As contractual as you can get dealing with a 3rd world manufacturer anyway...
    He was to retest on his coin if his gloves failed using his design. Of course, we never retested because he was completely unwilling to try and surely wasn't actually going to keep his word. To make this happen I ended up selling my motorcycle to simply fund the testing costs, so you can be assured that I was livid not only to find out that PPE guy was a *&#$off and knew less than nothing but my "ride" was forfeited for the cause...

    With that being said, you may want to take a look at that RIDE magazine review of motorcycle gloves. Dainese finished 6th and 7th with their "nylon".

    Joe Rocket finished first with Kevlar.....

    BUT again, RIDEs 1-10 rating scale is bologna.... I want to see the actual numbers...

    Lastly, before I started destroying gloves, I visited my local CycleGear and looked at their selection, construction methods and the like. I know what they're building these days, the question is; DO YOU?


    GROUP BUYERS- WE GUARANTEE SATISFACTION- No restocking, noda! I'm not here to try to make 15% blowing smoke and refunding money. If these weren't the best gloves I've ever worn, I wouldn't say so.
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  8. velocitygear

    velocitygear safety =~SPEED

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    They're fundamentally the same in terms of construction and materials. The Formula is your RACE glove WITH a pinky bridge.
    The Prodigy is the street glove with "race" protection. Pinky bridge is optional...
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  9. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    First, communicating ideas are important to me. Being an internet PITA is not, that is why I deleted my post.

    That picture is not from nylon. It is from the pinkie contacting the ground, the glove leather rotating, exposing the soft unreinforced fourchette to the asphalt. That happens often, I studied it when it happened to Ben Bostron (at Daytona) and Matt Waite (at Sers Point IIRC). It has happened to many others.

    This situation is why Alpinestars has the finger bridge between the #s 3 and 4 fingers. That feature is patented. And by the way, I created that feature and patent.

    In the most constructive way, I would advise against tying yourself to Kevlar thread in such an absolute way.

    BP
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  10. velocitygear

    velocitygear safety =~SPEED

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    Hey, I appreciate your post and can take it. Resistance is good for the cause, please feel free to repost that info, I'd appreciate it.

    No, that picture is not from nylon. It's from Nylon breaking and the glove unraveling. Just ask Van of Ducatipilot.com.

    Kevlar is simply one more tool in our arsenal. You can be assured, there's a hell of a lot more than Kevlar doing the dirty work. It's a system, there is no magic thread or stitch.

    So, you created the bridge? Excellent!

    Who do you work for and are you willing to test your gloves against mine in ANY independent laboratory for everyone to see, ASAP???

    If you're truly in that position, let's get Ride to do a side by side review? I'm sure you have that kind of pull..
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  11. Miles Tugeaux

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    FWIW, I posted above that I was charged $157 for the Prodigy gloves instead of $149. SEVEN minutes later I got a notice from PayPal that I had been issued an $8 refund. Pretty good response time! :thumb

    MT
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  12. velocitygear

    velocitygear safety =~SPEED

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    Ya know, I'm just an enthusiast. Ever since throwing my leg over a motorcycle, I've been hooked. All I've ever wanted was to be part of the "show". Initially, as a rider but life got in the way. So now, while I continue to push my riding ability as a personal goal, it's clear that I still want to be affiliated with motorcycling off the bike. Not a dealership employee or the like but in a position to challenge those that say it can't be done.

    I've heard that more times than I can count, in regard to everything from riding to work to trying to compete with the big boys in "business". Although, it's not business for me, in fact that word makes me sick! fyi...
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  13. Miles Tugeaux

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    Velocitygear,

    You asked about color preferences. I like two colors in gloves: "Natural tan" (or whatever it's called) and black. Black with a natural palm (or vice versa) works as well.

    No red, blue, or any of that.

    One guy's opinion.

    MT
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  14. velocitygear

    velocitygear safety =~SPEED

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    The Prodigy will be either all black or black with tan palms.

    Keep the reflective dots? Lose them?



    Here's what all Tan Kangaroo looks like on the Formula..

    [​IMG]
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  15. Miles Tugeaux

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    I'd say lose the dots. They're not a deal-breaker, but I think the glove would look cleaner without them. I can't see them being conspicuous enough to enhance safety. If you really want visible gloves, make them Hi-Viz lime yellow with a reflective stripe around the palm and/or wrist.

    The all tan Formula looks good to me. Hmmm...may have to change my order...

    MT
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  16. rd1900

    rd1900 Been here awhile

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    So how would I order the all tan Formula? Or is there a color vote once you close the buy?
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  17. Spoke

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    Sizing is worrying me. I wear a xxl in most gloves, Joe Rocket, AlpineStars, Warm and Safe. If I measure my dominant hand using a cloth tape measure following your diagram I measure just a hair less than 10" so a size large. I have never fit in a size large. I am in for a pair,at least, of Formulas. You think a large will fit me? I'll order large as long as I can exchange them for another size if they don't fit.:huh
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  18. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Where are pictures of Van's gloves?

    BP
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  19. velocitygear

    velocitygear safety =~SPEED

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    We haven't had any sizing issues recently, using the EU portion of that sizing chart. We did have to custom fit a few pairs using tracings but that's not a problem.

    The all TAN Formula is available on the Formula GB page.

    http://www.highvelocitygear.com/formulaGB.htm

    Van's replacement gloves or his shredded Dainese gloves?

    Replacements: [​IMG]
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  20. Spoke

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    Thanks velocitygear. Just placed my order for a pair of large tan formulas:evil
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