Center Stand for XR650L and XT225

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by Cigar Mike, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. topgear11

    topgear11 Nomadic Goat Herder

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    You can put me down for a Sherpa stand as well!

    Let me know if I could help with measurements and such.

    Thanks!
  2. IRONWHEEL

    IRONWHEEL n00b

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    Mike,

    You can put me down for a DRZ center stand.


    Thanks,
  3. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    The TA stand was much more of a challenge than expected. I need not get the time to get to other models I planned on. But I will keep trying to get to the other models.

    I am sorry that it will be a while longer.

    Mike
  4. Ks-Rydr

    Ks-Rydr from the land of Toto

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    Mike, I am interested in a DRZ400S centerstand when you get them made. I do all my own servicing and a centerstand is a blessing. Please PM me when they are available.... Thanks.
  5. Sportourer

    Sportourer Adventurer

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    Not trying to be a pest. I was just wondering if the Transalp stand is available yet. I am only asking because it does not say "coming soon" at the bottom of your signiture anymore next to Transalp.
  6. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Not just yet. I will try a revised stand on a bike tomorrow. I am hopeful that we have solved most of the issues. I am also working with a fabricator that can laser cut parts for me to make the stand better.

    You are not being a pest. Thank you for asking about the TA Stand. I still have a few questions unanswered and I am not yet confident in the design. We used to say in the trade that we never had the time to do it right but always had the time to do it over. I really don't want that to be the case here.

    Availability of a bike to test the stand has been the main reason it is taking so long. If not for the help of wdeTa it would not be as close as it is.

    Mike
  7. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Stew was able to come by today and we fit the stand on his bike. Everything seemed to work out well except for a minor clearance issue with the side stand. I modified the stand a little to provide clearance for the side stand to deploy and retract. I will have to make a minor adjustmant on future stands.

    The extended pressdown leg provides good leverage to get the bike on the stand. I would guess that it is about equal difficulty as the other stands I make. Which is a big improvement over previous designns.

    We just zip tied the tubes to the front mounting bolt for the center stand. I will see if I can come up with a wire loop to route the tubes. But the ties don't seem to be a porblem to secure the tubes.

    Stew is leaving on and extended trip from here to South America and the stand should be of some help on a trip like this. Stew will keep us updated on his use of the stand.

    If there is no problems with the fitting of the stand on Dales TA I will start contacting those that are interested, in order that I was contacted or had posted interest in this stand.

    Here a few pictures of the stand on Stew's Bike.

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    Mike
  8. KilgoreTrout

    KilgoreTrout adventure flyfisher

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    Glad to hear and see your hard work is nearing fruition I await your email to send funds.:ear:clap
  9. csustewy

    csustewy Motojero

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    Mike,

    Thanks again for setting me up with a prototype center stand to test on our journey! We were trying to leave town this weekend, but some outstanding issues (and potential for snow here in Denver) may keep us here til Monday. The good news is in the extra couple days, I will be able to get the ride report started. Centerstand feedback and thoughts will get posted back in this thread. And just 'cause, I will post a link to the ride report here once it's up... Ride Report Link

    What I found out yesterday is that with the bike on the centerstand, the rear wheel is not fully unsprung - as the swing arm drops, the shock contacts the top plate leaving the linkage arm under pressure. For tire changes and the like, that is not a problem at all. For removing the rear shock, that is a bit of a hassle. Would it be possible to alter future stands so that the top plate is cut ~3/8" further away from the shock? Honestly, that number is just a WAG since it's difficult for me to tell exactly what clearance is needed, but it doesn't seem like it would be too much. Even so, having the bike on the center stand already made it much easier to support the frame with blocks without having to rock the bike waaaay over to place tall enough blocks under the frame to raise the rear wheel (since I don't have one of those handy floor jacks). Additionally, I didn't try to support the swing arm at just the right height to relieve that pressure, which could be another alternative to make shock removal easier (ya know, smaller hammer).

    All in all though Mike, I feel very confident in the centerstand that you have made, am extremely happy with the new leverage that you worked out to lift the bike, and the sidestand clearance is not an issue at all. I owe you a HUGE THANK YOU! for all of your time and hard work in getting this stand closer to production. There are many TA owners that will appreciate your dedication in making this right.

    Thanks again, and I will send news from the road.

    Stew


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  10. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Stew,

    I wish we would have noticed that when you were here. It would have been a simple matter to grind off the material to provide more clearance. I will take a close look when we put one on Dale's bike next week and make the needed adjustment.

    When you leave, if you are headed South stop by and I will fix it. It should not take long to fix. You know how easy it is to get the stand on and off. I should take less than an hour if you can spare the time.

    Mike
  11. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    I worked on the NX650 stand today and moved the balance point back. I also made an adjustment to make sure the bike will sit level when on the stand. I will try and do a test fit next week to double check everything.

    Mike
  12. thebigman

    thebigman bout a dollar 3.98

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    Cool, my brother just bought an NX and the first thing he mentioned was he wished it had a centerstand, I am sure gonna let him know about this,

    CM , how long till you think the finished product for the NX is ready for production.
  13. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    If I can get a hold of Norby101 to test fit it next week. They will be ready immediately after it checks out.

    Mike
  14. thebigman

    thebigman bout a dollar 3.98

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    Ok CM , post up when they are ready to ship and I will let him know.
  15. csustewy

    csustewy Motojero

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    Mike,

    No worries at all about not noticing that small interference when we were installing the centerstand. That's one of those things that it just takes the right situation to run across, and that's exactly what prototypes are for. And you are correct - it's a simple fix to grind off the material to allow clearance. I'm just not sure what the implications may be for future production of stands. Here's a picture of what I hacked away last night:

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    It looks like about 1/4 - 3/8" was removed from the deepest part of the cut (credit is due to Odell's IPA for the poorly staged photo). With my new HyperPro progressive springs on (NOTE: slightly different diameter from stock spring) there is almost 1mm clearance between the spring and the centerstand top plate when the shock is fully unloaded. I think this stand is about there! It served it's purpose well as the TA was up for some needed maintenance.

    Thanks again for all of your support, Mike, and for your willingness to send a prototype on such a journey!

    More to follow...
    Stew
  16. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Stew,

    I am glad that you were able to make it work. It looks like I need to just change a couple of dimensions. Should not be a problem. I am glad this is identified and will make sure there are no issues with production units.

    Have a great trip. Your link was broken when I tried it.

    Mike
  17. csustewy

    csustewy Motojero

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    Mike, I'm glad to hear that the change in the top plate won't be too much of a hassle. Let me know if you need any other info for that.

    And thanks for the heads up on the blog link... now fixed (I believe)...

    Take it easy,
    Stew
  18. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Norby101 was nice enough to let me test the stand again on his bike. It worked well and I was able to get the balance point back into the correct position. I will increase the length of the pressdown about an inch to make it easier to get up on the stand. There is plenty of room on this bike to do that.

    Here are a few pictures on the stand on Steve's bike.

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    Mike
  19. csustewy

    csustewy Motojero

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    So...we've had a couple of chances to use the centerstand, and will continue to test it over the next couple of days for a tire swap in Henderson, NV. I will post info on that soon, but for now here's a brief update...

    Here's a picture of Mike or Stew oiling and adjusting chain tension (yes, 2 names to add some confusion...many friends nicknamed him Stew from his last name, but with an upcoming trip to Spanish speaking lands, he's trying to convert back to his given name of Michael / Mike for easier translation...).

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    We removed the GIVI trunk before lifting the TA up onto the stand, but left our 2 saddlebags in place, as well as the tool tubes and engine guard bags. Each saddle bag probably weighs ~15 lbs. The bike went up on the stand with more effort than sans luggage, but it still wasn't too bad. I was standing on the foot while lifting and Jill was helping on the other side. The bike eased onto the stand and stayed put just fine. With some weight in the tool tubes on the front end, the rear wheel was conveniently raised for the maintenance.

    I will keep posting some updates specific to the centerstand in this thread. You are also welcome to follow along with our Ride Report here.

    Thanks again, Mike, for all of your hard work in getting this centerstand moving towards production!
  20. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Mike,

    It must be nice to have Jill to help get the bike on the stand with the load you have. I glad that you don't have to take everything off to work it.

    I am enjoying your RR and glad that you got a chance to post. Cathy and I have spent a lot of time in Utah and your pictures have me anxious to get back there soon.

    Thank you for the update on your use of the stand.

    Mike