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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by Cigar Mike, Dec 29, 2009.
Cigar Mike is the man !
Got my stand today , fits perfect. Mike never actually had a XR250R to measure for the stand. He did it all from the numbers I gave him and his own knowledge. For it to fit perfect with no adjustments needed on either the stand or my bike , is friggin pretty amazing.
Two weeks from the time I committed to the stand , the UPS man brought it to my door.
2003 Honda XR250R Center Stand :
Awesome Job Mke !
mine was waiting for me at the office today!
My new tire changing tool.
Two old tent spikes and a piece of rope :
The stand looks like it is a little far forward in the down position. I would like you to stick a thin piece of material between the stops and get the stand a little more vertical. If you let me know the size of the material you shim it with I will be able to make the adjustment. Ideally the stand should be at approximate 15 degrees in relation to the ground. That will lift the rear of the bike higher as well. In addition that should allow the bike to rock back on the rear tire with the addition of about 30 lbs of weight behind the rear seat.
How good a guess was that on the angle of the center stand in the up position? I was hoping it would match the angle of the side stand.
But it works better then I thought it would considering I didn't get to try on a bike. I will send you a PM and see what you would like to do.
Mike , my driveway is all uneven and wavy. I think it made my pictures look deceiving. Here it is on a flatter surface. It couldn't be any closer to 15 degree's and my rear tire is off the ground 1 3/4.
OK, I was wrong. It is perfect after all.
It sure didin't look it from the other pictures.
Did you ever come up with a center stand that works on the XT225 with the TC skidplate installed instead of the factory one?? Thanks, JustJohn
Are you thinking of making one for the KLX250 at all?
Or the DRZ400?
x2 please! I'd be happy to send you measurements if you need them.
I have only seen pictures of the skidplate. One of the XT225.com members (was that you?) sent me pictures of his and I told him if he sent me his skidplate I was pretty sure I could make one fit. He decided to put the stock plate back on and install the center stand. I have not been asked about since until now.
I have done a little research on the DRZ400 and from looking at the frame diagrams it looks like a stand similar to the XR stands would be possible. You would lose about 1 1/4" of ground clearance. I would just need to get my hands on a bike and the time to do it. I believe it would be close enough to the XR stand that I could make a few modifications and the it would fit the DR.
I would like to build one for the DR and hopefully I will get to it this year. If some one requests a stand for a certain model I do try and make one. Problem is I am getting a lot of requests for different models and I try to get to them on a first come first serve basis. It is because of the help of the Rockies Regional Forum members that I am able to get my hands on different models to make those stands.
I update my blogspot (http://www.cigarmikes.com/) as I start on new projects. And post here when they are available.
If not for the help of fellow inmates, there would only be two models available. I recieved part of and old frame to make the XR400 stand. That was cool!
I did look at the frame diagram for that bike and I think I will need the bike to make one. The Honda's are very close to one another so I was able to to do it with measurements on the XR250. I think I was more lucky then good on that one. Some don't work out that good and it takes a lot of effort to get it right. I am getting feed back now on the XR400 that indicates that there needs to be some adjustments. I would rather be lucky then good.
I'll link to this thread from ThumperTalk. There might be a few others from the DRZ forum interested and, hopefully, that will include someone from Colorado.
If there is interest, why not?
Added to the list, which is growing everyday.
I think I would need to get to it before the snow melts. I am sure you know what happens when the dirt is showing through again. No one is likely to part with their bike. I think they ride everyday here when it is possible.
I got spoiled by centerstands in the past, and would love to add one to a bike of mine.
However, If the stand weighs approx 10lbs, then the swinging portion probably weighs in the neighborhood of 8lbs+. If the spring only applies 18-22.5lbs of holding force, I'm concerned the stand will come down when jumping.
I don't mean this as any sort of criticism, but rather as input in order to be sure the product works as planned. Having the centerstand deploy while in the air doesn't sound like a problem until it happens to you. If the stand becomes fully deployed, as it did a few years ago, when I jumped an old road bike, it can cause serious damage to the engine cases and frame.
In my case, it snapped the centerstand brackets off on one side taking a big chunk of frame with it, seriously damaging the frame. On the other side, the weld of the centerstand bracket broke stabbing the bottom of the engine, and cracking the cases.
Now I don't expect you to design these for hitting the motocross track, anyone doing big jumps can remove the stand before hand... But if it can't handle a drop from at least three or four feet, without deploying, I probably would never be able to leave it on the motorcycle, since I'm always looking for some airtime.
Can someone test and video these prototypes to see how large a drop they can handle?
Since I do not get a lot of air anymore I would not be the one to answer this question. Some of the customers may be able to answer. There are several out there. I would think that if it is really a concern to you and you would still like to have a center stand. I would suggest that a mechanical type retainer be installed so that there is no way for the stand to deploy while getting big air. Geek mentioned that very problem when jumping the 950 with the factory stand. It should not be hard to design something that would be effective.
I was concerned with the stand bouncing while riding through whoops but must admit that I did not give a lot of thought to large jumps. The legs of the stand probably weigh about 6-7 lbs. The weight the spring holds up is half that or less. Half the weight is supported by the pivot bolts. The spring needs to be this heavy due to the mechanical advantage afforded by the angle of the spring in relation to the stand. It would use a much lighter spring if the spring was at a 90 angle to the point of connection on the leg. As the stand rotates downward the spring force is multiplied due to its increasing length. Whether a jump would develop enough force to deploy it all the way is unknown.
The center stand just may not fit your type of riding. Maybe the packable stand sold here in the vendors section would better suit your needs. Center stands are not for everyone. I would never suggest that they are. They are available for those that want them.
Thank you for your thoughts.
After I installed my stand I stood on the pegs and started bouncing up and down as hard as I could.
Sure enough my stand was making noise. My stock stand.
The center stand was quiet as can be.
Then one fine day I was out messing around in the garage with socks on my feet , my foot slipped of the center stands foot peg , nailed me in the shin , I dropped my bike and cursed Mike out loud for using such a heavy duty spring.