Center Stand for XR650L and XT225

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  1. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Now that's funny. Ouch! I will have to put a warning label on the stand warning about shoeless deployment of the stand. Not

    But I do understand. I went out and kicked my YZ465 over in my sandals one day. Needless to say it kicked back. Ripped the sandal right off and part of my foot.:rofl

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  2. moventurer

    moventurer Adventurer

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    Thanks for the response. No sale.
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  3. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    You’re welcome.

    Adventure riders are a unique group of riders. They are involved in all types of riding from hard core single track to adventure rides that are mainly pavement. They very often use a bike for a purpose that was not intended by the manufacturer. If the bike does not fit, they make it fit. This is how the center stand for our DS bikes came about. I wanted a center stand on our bikes so that I could change to a different set of wheels (street tires) easily and fix flats when out on the bikes. When we are hundred miles from nowhere the center stand is welcome for getting the flat fixed and moving again.

    When I posted about the stands that I had made for our bikes I was asked if I would make them available. Since I was retiring it seemed like a good idea so that I could keep busy doing something I enjoy. Other models were made available upon request. I don’t market the stands trying to convince someone that they need what I make. I could care less if I ever sell another center stand, other then I will have to find something else to do to keep me busy. So if someone says to me “no sale”. Who asked you to buy anything? I build what I am asked to build. I don’t ask anyone to buy what I build. If you want one, fine. If not, fine. I let it be known that they are available and for how much and I stand behind what I make.

    Overall it has been a good experience making and selling the stands. The people that I am in contact with have been great. There have been some problems but it always seems to work out with the help of the riders. I would have probably quit a long time ago if this was not the case. But the riders that I have come in contact with have made it a worthwhile endeavor.

    I have no idea how long I will continue to do this. If it becomes a job instead of a hobby, I will stop. If the time it takes interferes with the time I need to spend with my family, I will stop. And obviously if there is no longer any demand, I will stop. If there is too much demand, I will stop. This is a hobby that had to be a business for legal and tax concerns. I do not make a living from this and don’t need the money to survive.

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  4. WeeBee

    WeeBee Roaming ADV Gnome

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    Well said, Mike :thumb

    I'm patiently waiting and hoping you'll be able to engineer up a C.Stand for US model 1989/1990 Honda Transalps.
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  5. Ruffus

    Ruffus Dirty Old Mudder

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    I'm just sitting in the back row watching carefully :D
    One thought I had about someone using your stand & wanting to do big air.
    Just use a Zip Tie, if you need the center stand, a quick snip & you're back in business :freaky
    For most off road riding, a side stand is preferable, for dualsport, a center stand can make life so much easier :freaky

    P.S. Mike, didja notice what kinda bike I ride??? hint hint :evil
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  6. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    I was thinking something like the hook and loop strap (not Velcro) I include with with the stand that is used to set the front brake.( It is not needed for normal use of the stand but helps when doing heavy wrenching on the bike. Like if your back up wrench slipped while trying to torque the rear axle.) It has a amazingly strong grip and I think it would hold up the stand very well. The same strap could do double duty.

    I always figured that the people that would want a center stand on there bike would want it for longer rides or dual sport/adventure type rides. On a single track machine I drop the bike enough that laying it on its side is not a big thing to fix a flat. In the old days I would not even remove the wheel. I would break the beads and then pull the bead on one side. Then remove the tube and find the leak and patch. I never carried a spare tube in those days. But I had two rim locks on the rear and a six ply tire. I could ride it flat back to the truck if need be. Later on I found out that I could prop another bike into the frame of my bike rocking it up on the side stand and pull the wheel if need be. And since I have never ridden alone, that is always an option. I was a lot younger then and could fix a flat in about 15 minutes. Today if I can do it under an hour with the center stand, I am happy.

    Most models go on and off easy enough that it would not be much trouble to take it off when the ride dictated it.

    Yes, I noticed. Throw it on it's side.:lol3 No one has ever mentioned wanting one for that model before. But all things are possible for those that believe.

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  7. Ruffus

    Ruffus Dirty Old Mudder

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    I didn't think many with my type of bike would request it & I'd only have it bolted up on multi day trips like the TAT, that with any luck I'll be doing in July. For everyday riding I'd keep it at home.
    Just daydreaming I guess :lol3 :freaky
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  8. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    At the risk of generating TOO much demand and causing you to stop...
    my wife has a TTR230 Yam and I have a CRF230 Honda...
    Anything in the pipeline for these humble bikes?
    And then we have ADV bikes - she has a Guzzi 650 TT and I have an Aprilia Caponord - but I won't even ask...
    Best from Down Under
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  9. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    I would think that the enduro/ DS stand listed here in vendors might be a good option for the TAT. It looks like it could come in handy and if you are only going to use it once in a while it would be a lot easier on the pocket book. The only thing that I would suggest if you were to use it, is to put a spacer between the ground and the sidestand when using it. I have propped my bike up on the side stand to pull wheels and it will bend the side stand. Then the bike will lean to much when on the side stand. A small piece of 2x4 would probably help, maybe two.

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  10. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    What year TTR230? You may have the year that has the same frame as the XT225. If so the XT225 stand should work. I have yet to look at the CRF230 but it is on the list of requests.

    The weather is warming up and interest will probably increase. I wonder if I will make someone mad because I have gone riding.:1drink

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  11. sled_rider

    sled_rider DESERT ADV RIDER

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    Mike you are a standup guy and the centerstand I have from you is tops. I am enjoying mine and I again want to THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Take care.
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  12. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    TTR230: 2007; CRF230: probably 2005.
    And you're not "going riding", you're conducting "field trials" and "product reviews"....
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  13. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    Yeah, yeah that's the ticket.

    The TTR230 is the newer model and does not share the XT225 frame from eariler. I think the change was after 2005. Both of your bikes are probably street legal down under?

    sled_rider,

    I am glad that the stand is working out for you.

    Thanks,

    Cigar Mike
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  14. moventurer

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    Fair enough.

    The only reason I posted my concern is because I WANT to buy your product. Now that you mention it, a retaining device is a great idea, for those riders that hit the rough trail. Why am I out of line for suggesting such a thing? And who better to provide a retaining device, other than the guy that designs such awesome center stands? Am I asking too much? I'll pay extra for the stand if it comes with a retaining device!

    Jeez!!
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  15. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    I don't think you are out of line to ask a question. I guess the "no sale" comment hit me the wrong way. If you want to help me figure out something that may work that will address your concerns, I am willing. You know more about the riding you do and what would or would not be a hassle in securing the stand. I mentioned one idea but it may not be the best one. I learned a long time ago that I don't know everything. I also learned that anyone can have a good idea. And I learned to listen to them, it might be a good one. The idea being that you have something that you are happy with.

    I may be getting a little grumpy in my old age. Thanks for the kind words about the stands.

    Send me a PM or email to cigarmikes@gmail.com if you would like to figure something out. I don't even know what bike we are talking about. It may make a difference in the best way to do this.

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    r00t4rd3d ADV Rider

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    Here is a video of me jumping off the side of the road , its about a three foot drop.

    :D
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  17. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    I got word back today on the SM model stand. With this stand I changed several things that were not quite right. Different spring (longer) With relocated mounts. I will add a bolt to be shipped with the stand for making the upper spring connection. It appears that this would be best for all of the TE610s whether they have the upper mount on the bike or not.

    Here is the report I received.

    Hi Mike,

    It was a bear getting the stand mounted with the return spring. Works well in the up position, no bouncing of the stand.

    With the stand in the up position, there is more clearance on right side leg and the swingarm.
    The return spring does touch the rear brake clevis joint. (he did not use the longer bolt provided)
    There is no clearance issues with the side and center stand in the up position
    The center stand leverage arm does tuck behind the rear footpeg mount.

    With the stand in the down position, the bike is rock solid. The balance is perfect. With 5lbs on the rear seat the front wheels lifts off the ground.
    The spring does touch the stand in the down position.

    Overall, I would rate it 7 out of 10. Very good.

    I need to still check a few things for the TE since the stand is longer and the SM had a lowering link on it. This may affect the clearance at the lower spring mount and the swing arm. I do have some pictures and will post them when I get the rest.

    I hope to check everything this week. They should be available again soon.

    Cigar Mike
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  18. Cigar Mike

    Cigar Mike Too Old and Too Slow

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    This is where longer bolt should be used. I include a longer bolt with a nut so that the spring is moved a little more inward.
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    So that the spring will not touch the clevis.
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    I will have to make an adjustment here for a non lowered bike. I think the swing arm would touch. I was trying to prevent...
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    this. But here is not enough room and will probably will be a bit more so that the swing arm won't touch the the spring mount in the up position.
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  20. diesel1959

    diesel1959 Been here awhile

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    Mike, don't fret it--I had the same reaction to the "no sale" comment. Some folks just don't get that you're in this for the fun and not for the business growth, etc. Hang in there, and I'm still praying for the time when you can work on a Super Sherpa center stand!:evil