Chain care

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by Flashdog, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. Flashdog

    Flashdog Been here awhile

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    Okay okay okay, I know this may turn into an oil/religion/gun control threat and that I'm opening up a huge can of worms.

    I have owned shaft drive and belt drive bikes for the last 20 years. My F700GS is my first modern bike with an o-ring chain. I now have about 1200 miles on it and had the first service done back at 650. Every 200 miles or so I've cleaned the chain with an o-ring safe cleaner and grunge brush and then lubed it with Moto-Pro brand (PTFE/moly) dry chain wax. I ain't had a dry riding day since buying this bike!

    I know there are many opinions on what kind of maintenance is needed and what products to use. I'd like to know what others are doing to "our" bikes. That being the F series BMWs. How long, with normal riding, can I expect a chain and sprockets to last? What brand of chains and sprockets do you recommend?

    So there it is. Rant, flame on, serious discussion, smart ass answers, or good information. :ear
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  2. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    oh dear... are you hearing that? I think the "scottoiler gang" will soon be around again :lol3

    well I use S100 "Kettenspray" at least once every 1000km (of after heavy rain) and I'm doing some cleaning every time I ride through snow (salt), sand and mud. for cleaning I use some cheap diesel fuel. if you keep doing it every 200 miles your chain will last at least 45k kms :lol3.

    every one has it's own philosophy, some are anal, some are doing nothing and still get a good treat life out of it. as you said that's a can of worms you are opening :lol3
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  3. machinebuilder

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    Those mixed unit's are interesting.:evil

    200mi? am I supposed to stop during a ride?

    to the OP...........opinions are like a$$holes, everybodies got one.

    I clean my chain when I feel it needs it, I use belray chain lube every couple rides, or when it seems to be getting noisier.

    I don't ride like some of the inmates, I only have about 14,000mi on mine, the tension usually only gets adjusted when I change tires.
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  4. Grits&Gravy

    Grits&Gravy Been here awhile

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    I wet an old rag/t-shirt with kerosene, wipe her down, if she's grungy, I use the grunge brush, then wipe her down again. When I am happy with that I spray it with Motul chain cleaner and a then spray it off with the hose. Now I wipe it down/dry it with a cloth and ride it to warm the chain back up. When I get back to the house I spray it down with Yamaha on/off road chain lube and ride it again to use the centrifugal forces and sling the lube all over my fresh clean chain. I usually only do this every couple of rides or when I don't have anything else to do and it's nasty weather outside.
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  5. Flashdog

    Flashdog Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the initial responses. I may be over doing it on my chain maintenance and over time I'll probably not be as obsessive about it. On the otherhand, apart from farkling (I know some hate that term) there's not much in the way of maintenance on a new modern bike. I'm one of those people that can't leave well enough alone and tend to know a lot about my vehicles. I shopped for over a year to finally decide on this bike of all the others I tried.
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  6. KTM250rm

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    I like using Bel-Ray Super Clean chain lube. The only side affect is that it leaves a white film on your chain, but it isn't tacky.
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  7. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    Isn't that what it's supposed to do? I know mine to and I thought it's normal :huh

    who DOESN'T like that term!? :pain
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  8. KTM250rm

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    LOL, yeah that's what its suppose to do, but some people don't like the white color, it doesn't bother me. In fact, people say, Is that a new chain??
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  9. GSlite

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    Automatic transmission fluid; a tiny amount brushed on with an old toothbrush every week or so. I ride almost every day, so this works out to be every 500-ish miles. I often forget, so sometimes go longer. The ATF is sorta self cleaning and doesnÂ’t leave sticky, gummed up crap all over the swing arm like some of the spray lubes. Any ATF that flings off wipes off quickly and easily with a paper towel or shop rag.

    Edit: I keep meaning to switch to one of these to make life even easier on myself.
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  10. GH41

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    Dupont motorcycle degreaser for chains to clean and Dupont chain saver lube. I have never cleaned the chain other than to remove the gunk the dealer applied but off road to me is just a dirt road. I apply the lube at 3-500 mile intervals. This stuff is sold in many stores including Lowe's and Home Depot. The lube is also available in a small squeeze bottle perfect for carrying on the bike. GH
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  11. guavadude

    guavadude Dirt Nap Enthusiast

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    +1
    I really like the DuPont spray cans. Major perk that it's $5 a can and is at Lowes. Really keeps the chain clean and doesn't fling.
    I haven't found the small travel size but need to order a few for road trips.

    I read that the grunge brushes can push dirt into the o rings so I've given up on that.
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  12. MikeMike

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    I' ve read that some pills advertised in magazines will make you hung like a donkey and irresistible to supermodels.
    I' ve read on this BB that you can' t run 20-50 oil in an F bike because the oil galleries are too small.
    Bulls-- t.
    Grunge brushes work fine and dont force dirt past the o- rings.
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  13. guavadude

    guavadude Dirt Nap Enthusiast

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    Ok, good to know about the grungebrush but I'm keeping the pills and me and my Russian supermodel don't care what you say.
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  14. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    Does she pant in anticipation at the thought of a clean chain?
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  15. guavadude

    guavadude Dirt Nap Enthusiast

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    Let's just say that DuPont spray has a variety of uses. Grungebrush is optional.
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  16. MikeMike

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    Let's talk dirty!:eek1
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  17. vtbob

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    just a point of reference. I just replace my chain at 30k miles. the O ring on one link failed and that one link wore badly( ie stretch almost 1/8 inch) so I had to replace the whole chain. I did replace the front sprocket...it was slightly worn...did not need to but it was cheap and easy.

    Looking at the comments here, I do much LESS maintenance....lube about every 1000 miles, clean much less frequently.

    why I think this is ok and seems to have worked

    there are two wear/lube point on the chain
    1) the contact between roller and sprocket,
    This is the one every one sees, over lubes...build up dirt and dust. using a Scott oil in my mind is installing a dust and dirt magnet...dumb. Using a limited amount of Wax based oil do reduce this wear....using heavy oil just makes everything dirty
    2) the more important between the pins internal to the rollers and the side plates of the chain. It is these second, more important that are lubed at the factory and the lube is kept in place by the O ring (or X rings). It is important that these O/X rings are not damaged and the factory oil does not leak out.

    Protecting the O rings.....No harsh brushing, No pressure washing No solvents like WD40 to dilute and flush out the factory lube behind the O rings...you get the idea

    Using a lubricant like the dupont teflon helps the O rings stay healthy.

    Just my 2 cents
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  18. moe.ron

    moe.ron Pig. Can. Fly.

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    I have the same bike. If I bother with chain maintenance at all :loco :rolleyes :D I soak a rag with WD40 for cleaning, then use this for lube...

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    Mine gets the treatment every 1000 miles or so, probably step that up a bit as I intend to spend more time in the dirt.
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  19. GH41

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    You should try the Dupont chain cleaner. It is compatible with Dupont lubes. I have no use for WD-40 other than for making things rust! GH
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  20. moe.ron

    moe.ron Pig. Can. Fly.

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    Never had a rust issue. Use it to clean the crud from my wheels too, works great.
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