Chang Jiang BMW R71 Replica

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by Cordless, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. Cordless

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  2. Sniper X

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    It's cool, all but the badges. I guess they are OK. I like the bike, but have only heard stuff about them so don't want to relatye that since it is second hand and I have never owned one. I would say if they are somewhat reliable, it would be fun to ride round on since it looks soooo cool!
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    BTW there are a few in town in stock trim which are not as cool loking as that one.
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  4. Uncle Ernie

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    This has been discussed a lot in the Hacks Dept. because they're usually sold with a sidecar. Very good looking bike. I have a feeling (didn't read the description) that someone did a lot of work on the cosmetics.

    As far as the bikes go, I have never heard one single good thing about them. Never. What could go wrong with a Chinese flathead? You love the scooters, right?

    A guy here -JimboSidecars- does a truely great job of putting BMW engines in those frames. I would seriously consider one of HIS if I was looking for a rig.

    I am one of the fat-heads who really hate that BMW badge on that tank.
    It looks good, but it pisses on the head of BMW.
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  5. lemieuxmc

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    If you get it really cheap, if you are a really resourceful mechanic, if you can get it titled and plated, it might be OK.

    There is a constant stream of hustlers trying to pass them of as BMW's or a rare version of a Ural. Caveat Emptor!
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    Not particularly common. They're a bit more than just knock-offs, as I've always heard that the factory in China was set up by BMW.

    I don't think anyone's importing them right now.
    There was a guy in Hood River Oregon (I think he's a member of advrider) who imported a few. They were registered as 1957 model motorcycles.
    He seemed to like them.
    If you can track him down, he'd be a very good source for information.
    He had a website/club called the "Red Menace Motor Register"
    Last time I looked for it, I couldn't find it.

    Just occurred to me, it appears that BMW has come full circle. Aren't the F and G series motors being built in China now?
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  8. chiefrider

    chiefrider Chrome won't get you home

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    You're talking about my buddy, Vernon, in Hood River. He frequents the forum below this one, HACKS. His website is:

    http://adventuresidecar.com/

    He's very knowlegable on sidecars. I know him because we both suffered ownership of Dnepr outfits some years back. Dnepr is the Soviet BMW copy.

    Another buddy of mine in Florida had a Chang, and kept it around for the same reason I kept the Dnepr, to putt the children around the neighborhood. They're nothing you'd want to take out of town, as that would be really pressing your luck. Quality control and metallurgy are AWFUL on the Changs and Dneprs.

    The best part of this machine was the sidecar, which looks like someone already deftly removed.

    As a BMW rider, I, too take exception to calling it a 1938 BMW R-71 and mounting that on the people-slicer on the front fender along with the roundels. Like calling a Chinese Lifan trailbike a Honda XR200, it's just plain dishonest.:huh

    My advise is plain and to the point--Walk away.

    Argle bargle argle bargle :gerg

    Tom in Salem
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  9. Paul Mihalka

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    The way I was told the Chinese version is a bad copy of the Russian version, which is a bad copy of the original version. This bike in question was worked on to look very nice.
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  10. Cordless

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    Thank you for all this input. I knew ADVrider had some wisdom on these bikes.

    I would be tempted to buy one for the retro look, but I will certainly not pay much.

    Is it true that regular BMW engine parts will interchange with the Chinese parts on these bikes?
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  11. matteo

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    Anyone know about the quality of the frame? I have a project that I'm working on. I'm on the look out for a plunger frame. The thought has crossed my mind about getting a Chinese frame. Just don't know about the quality. I suspect the worst.
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  12. nowhereman

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    I reported the auction to ebay as a misleadingly titled auction. Frankly, if you have to title it as a '1938 R71 BMW' to sell it then that's just misleading. That and the fact that he added all the badges and whatnot - well... it's just a counterfeit. That kind of business just sucks. If he were up front about it, say titled it 'REPLICA BMW, MADE IN CHINA' then it'd be ok. But as is - that just isn't being an honest seller.
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  13. camgregus

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    I've always thought that the frame and hack and 70s airhead running gear ca. /7 should make a fun bike. Comments? Experience?
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    I've never owned one but have read a lot about their weaknesses and strengths. Mostly weaknesses. They are a 35 - 45 mph bike and suffer at rpm's much higher. The one shown is a "flatty" (flathead engine) I think the cylinder oiling is a "splash" system and one cylinder is prone to failure at higher speeds and temps. They also make an overhead valve version which has a couple more horses. The transmissions / clutches are weak and the metallurgy is poor throughout....just what I've read....
    They sure are cool looking though.
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    Good on you dood.
    I did that last year and frankly, EBay doesn't give a rats ass. As long as they get paid, they don't really care.
    If they pull this I would be pleasantly surprised.
    As far as MY opinion of the Badging with the Roundel,
    To Quote Groucho Marx........
    " I'd horsewhip him! (If I had a horse) "
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  18. bmwloco

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    When I worked at a BMW Shop (location secret) several excited H20 heads brought one of the Chinese "BMW"s in with the story they were found in a cave, NOS, amazingly rare, yadda yadda yadda.

    I looked close for about 30 seconds and just started laughing. Whew. Bad welds, henky electrical wiring, questionable metallurgy.

    The grinning geniuses who brought it in wanted to trade even for a K1100RS.

    Thats when I started hysterically laughing.

    They loaded it up and disappeared, never to be seen again.

    In retrospect, if you throw enough money at anything, you can make it run. I would rather throw my money at something a little more "there".
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  19. wirewrkr

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    Funny thing about that story. The same basic thing happened at a dealer I worked for back in 96 0r 97.
    Since we pretty much specialized in Vintage BMW, we had a good laugh when we wandered out to the trailer it was on to have a look. My impressions were the same as yours as far as the welds, wiring, metallurgy etc.
    The owner had been told that he could buy any and all parts for it "at any BMW dealer that knows old bikes"
    He was greatly saddened and perplexed to learn that we did in fact have a N.O.S. set of points in stock and a N.O.S. distributor cap, but the cost would be several hundred $$$.
    I still wouldn't mind having one if it came to me dirt cheap. They have a cool factor to them. But I would never hang the BMW badges on them. That is just so wrong in so many ways.
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  20. chiefrider

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    When it comes to engine-clutch-transmission-driveline-wheels, I don't believe there's any interchangability here amongst the Russian & Chinese knockoffs. When I had that Dnepr, I found there was no significant interchangability between it and a Ural. You can, with some modifications to the engine mounts, put a BMW motor or motor/transmission unit into these frames, but when you have to deal with that questionable rear drive, crappy hubs and cheeze-whiz spokes, plus the wonky handling. IMHO, best keeo the BMW mill in the BMW frame.

    Tom in Salem
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