Checking water pump seal ?

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  1. Undertheoaks

    Undertheoaks Adventurer

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    Just curious if there is any way to check the water pump seal on my 07 990 Adventure without draining the expensive fresh oil to look at the filter to see if it's pleated ? Just rebuilt my water pump with the kit from KTM Twins and been riding it approx. 400 miles no problem but noticed my coolant level dropped about a 1/4 to 1/2 on the overflow catch tank. Im running the expensive waterless Blue Ice coolant and again it's expensive, I know it's cheeper then a engine rebuild but thought I'd check here first. I was thinking of laying the bike on it's side then pulling the oil filter ? :ear
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  2. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    It's often that the Res bottle will drop a bit on a fresh drain and refill. At least it often does on my bikes. I'd just top it off again and keep going.

    If you are worried about the filter. You can drop the skid plate, Put the bike on it's sidestand and just pull the oil filter cover off. Inspect the filter. Very little oil loss. It's not connected to the main sump or oil tank.

    There is no way to "Check" the seal as it's damaged when you pull it out.
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  3. Undertheoaks

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    Ok thanks, when I bought the bike the seal was leaking and I didn't know until I did a oil change and the filter was pleated pretty bad. I think I'll go with the stainless steel Scott's filter next time.:D
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    viola-tor Needs to ride!

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    That there seems like a pretty good reason to use the paper filters to me, for an indicator of WP failure. Of course a fancy CJ Designs clutch cover helps too! :deal
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    What effect does waterless coolant have on the lubricating properties of the oil? It would be a shame to ruin the motor next time the waterpump seal leaks coolant into the oil.
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    I dont like doing this as debris from the filter can enter the oil gallery. Better off loosing a bit of oil which carries debris out of the motor with it....
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    Bad move IMHO.

    Filter pleats are best at indicating water in oil.
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  8. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    I completely agree and the reason I run Paper on all my bikes.

    The covers help too, or so I'm told. :wink:
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    If You Lay The Bike Down On The Left Side, You Can Pop The Clutch Cover. IF You SeE White...
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    cjracer AWD please!!

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    I think I screwed up. The filter is on the Left side of the engine. Putting the bike on the side stand will allow oil to drain out of FILTER cavity. You won't loose much though. Debris should rest at Bottom, not forced into engine.

    I normally don't have much debris Falling off the paper filter. Even when I cut it open and spread the pleats to inspect. I do this at Oil changes, but not if I'm doing an After water pump check up. Oil should be fresh, and paper filter should trap small debris. Big Chunks, should not get past the Sump filter. (Long black Plastic)
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    viola-tor Needs to ride!

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    Put in a new wp seal every 20k miles or every other year/every other valve adjust and you'll be good.
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  13. Subutai

    Subutai Been here awhile

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    You can lean the bike against something so that the engine is slightly leaning to the right. This way when you remove the filter cover you should get very little to none oil spilling. Of course there will be some coming out with the filter.

    You could siphon some out from filling hole and inspect it, but small amounts of water would be hard to detect this way, because there should be little to no emulsion accumulation.

    I also prefer paper filters, cheap and makes problems like this easy to detect.
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  14. Undertheoaks

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    Thanks I think I'll continue running the paper filter. Plus I topped the overflow off I will ride it this Wed to see if it drops any farther.:norton
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  15. killurtv

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    +1 here. I actually change mine every year, nice winter project. Since buying CJ's rebuild kit with the hardened shaft (go easy on me) I think I will be doing every two years from now on. Just installed my clear clutch cover too!!:clap
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  16. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    Salesman told me the 09's onward had improved the seal arrangement to fix that issue. True? Not?
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    If they have, I've not seen it. I've changed out an 09 shaft already. Same failure symptoms. I really feel it's hit or miss on these. Some shafts are harder than others from KTM. I have no idea what they do, or don't do, but the shafts I've checked have been all over the place.

    Does the saleman ride, work on bikes? I guess a little background on any "saleman" is important to know before I trust what any of them say. Most sale people I talk to only know what they have "read" in there showroom sales book of the bike. Ask them anything outside of there 5 questions and they go down fast. I could pick up the brochure and have learned more in less time. I so wish that wasn't true, but as bike builders shut down the Mom and Pop dealers for Larger Super Dealers, I feel the knowledge and love for the product they sell keeps going down.
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  18. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    Yes Craig I know what you mean. I don't usually put much stock in what they say but when you ask "So, I have heard of older Adventures having fuel injection and water pump issues. Are these still a problem?" and he says "no, I am told these problems have all been fixed" and you REALLY want to buy this beast on the showroom floor, you really want to believe him, and maybe he has been told they have been fixed (2009 FI does seem to be better than the older bikes, from what I read here, though not perfect). He did seem to be a good guy and rode a 9xx.
    So, using the ostrich protocol, I have been not researching this much, but until your posting, I hadn't heard of any 09's or later bikes having failures. Maybe just not enough miles yet?
    So I guess I'll keep checking those pleats and keeping my fingers crossed...
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  19. gefr

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    I may be a cheapo but I find replacing wp before 50k kms is way overkill. Unless special conditions arise as a longer than 10k kms travel or travelling in BF country, there is no catastrophic failure involved if you really watch your bike's behaviour, which you should be doing anyway with these bikes.
    Cheers.
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  20. Undertheoaks

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    Upon lying the bike on it's side I removed the oil filter(no oil loss) it was perfectly straight except where the seam in the filter is. There it was slightly pulled apart in a straight line but the rest of the filter looked good, the first time I did the water pump change the oil filter was badly pleated in multiple spots ? I run blue ice as my coolant so not sure if that makes a difference. Also on the max/min lines on the ever flow tank it went from almost max full line to the almost min line after around 300 miles. I not sure if it was air in the system or if I damaged the new seal. I did notice some sand in the water pump housing when I rebuilt it but did the flush before I reinstalled everything and did the factory bleeding of air with both of the two air bleeding screws. I overly cautious I guess don't want to damage my expensive toy. I filled the overflow tank back to the max lines and will take her for a spin to see if it drops any further. Any idea if the oil filter pleats are normal or if it only pleats if coolant is present ???:norton
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