Chevy Cruze "Clean Diesel"

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  1. Grreatdog

    Grreatdog Long timer

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    The white F-150 commercial trucks I buy have A/C, power windows, power locks and a sound system standard. These are zero option trucks. So AFAIK you can't get them without the power stuff. The commercial dealer we use can order them stripped. But then you pay extra for the deleted items.
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  2. vtwin

    vtwin Air cooled runnin' mon

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    Hmm, interesting. Been looking into the 2010 TDI Sportwagons for the wife. Guess we'll stick to the '95 Audi for a bit longer.
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  3. Star-Bellied Sneetch

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    Don't they have a bunch more torque?
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  4. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    Here's a thread from TDIforums on the High Pressure Fuel Pump "disintegrating."


    Sorta like BMW final drives...

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  5. Range Motorsport

    Range Motorsport Junk collector

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    Yes 90's V8 levels of torque.
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  6. Bueller

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    If that's important to you in this class of car then I suppose you can call it an advantage. But really, it isn't.

    Having owned two TDi's, the reason I owned them over their comparable gas versions was they got nearly twice the mileage - not because the TDi made more torque. The only time the torque really mattered was when I was pulling a trailer.

    As for GM, they are contradicting themselves. Here is the tested performance of a Cruze ECO gas version:

    TEST DATA
    ACCELERATION TO MPH
    0-30 2.5 sec
    0-40 4.2
    0-50 5.8
    0-60 8.1
    0-70 10.8
    0-80 13.9
    0-90 17.6
    0-100 22.8
    PASSING, 45-65 MPH 4.5
    QUARTER MILE 16.2 sec @ 86.4 mph

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1205_2012_chevrolet_cruze_eco_first_test/viewall.html

    Here's what GM says about the performance of the diesel version:

    UNDER THE HOOD: A new two-liter turbo diesel with 148 horsepower and ample power at all engine speeds. The car initially will be sold only with a six-speed automatic transmission, beefed up for the diesel’s higher power. GM says the diesel will go from zero to 60 mph in 8.6 seconds, which the company says is better than the Jetta with an automatic transmission.

    GAS MILEAGE: At least 42 mpg on the highway. City and combined mileage testing not finished yet. An eco version of the gasoline-powered Cruze also gets 42 mpg on the highway with a manual transmission, but GM says it doesn’t perform nearly as well as the diesel. “You’re getting a little tiny performance sedan with superb fuel economy,” says spokesman Tom Read.

    http://staugustine.com/news/busines...s-unveils-chevrolet-cruze-diesel#.URbf4Dn3BKM


    So - the diesel version is supposedly a half a second slower 0-60 and gets the same mileage as the gas version while GM claims it performs better. Really, it should perform better with 10 more hp and over 100 ft lbs more torque than the gas version. But apparently it doesn't. And all this for more expensive maintenance costs (did you see the timing belt in the diesel engine? The gas engine has a chain) and 30% higher cost of fuel :scratch
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  7. Crocodile Tears

    Crocodile Tears Anti-Semantic

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    I would assume the cruze eco vs cruze diesel debate will look alot like a big Bandit vs a GSXR-600 debate

    I wouldnt doubt the GSXR is quicker, if you know what the hell you're doing. For joe schmoe that doesnt know anything about staying in a powerband the big bandit will be easier to drive quickly / get performance from just like the diesel with its torque at low RPM
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  8. Bueller

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    Does that really matter for a Chevy Cruze? It's not like you're pulling a load up the side of a mountain :lol3
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  9. mr openroad

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    if he had the Diesel atleast that would be an option! :D
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  10. troidus

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    Yep. Not gonna drag 3500# uphill with the ECO version, but the diesel should pull it just fine as long as the rest of the powertrain isn't made of marzipan. Make sure that trailer has brakes for going down the other side, though.
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  11. Tinfish

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    The combination of fuel economy and low-end powerband was a big part of why I bought a VW tdi. I'm sure my Golf is slower than a gas version, but the low end power makes it incredibly pleasant to drive in real world situations.

    If Chevy can match that drivability and economy they might have a viable car on their hands.
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  12. Bueller

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    You do recall this is being made by GM, right?

    My '05 Jetta TDI had a max tow rating of 1300# without trailer brakes, or 1500# with trailer brakes.
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  13. mr openroad

    mr openroad Target Fixated

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    does anybody know if this motor is made by Izuzu like their trucks?
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  14. troidus

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    That's because of the lack of driver training in the U.S. and the lawyers, not because of the vehicle. I always refer to my research on the Mazda 3 a few years ago. In the U.S., it was "Do Not Tow With Your Mazda." In the UK, it was 1200kg without brakes and 1800kg with brakes.
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  15. Bueller

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    Same issue with the Jeep Wrangler.

    With the TDi I knew the engine could pull more, but I always wondered if the gearbox and axles were up to the task.
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  16. Keith

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    You think they'll come out with an "eco" version?

    Just like they did with the gas version.
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  17. Bueller

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    What bothers me about the diesel offerings nowadays - and this includes TDi vehicles - is the mileage figures are going the wrong way. Our '00 TDI got a very consistent 50 mpg on the highway. Our '05 got about 48 on average, but had slightly more power than the '00. Current generation TDi's get low 40's, maybe 44 - 45 if you drive gently. The '00 we had was no powerhouse and wasn't going to win any drag races, but it did just fine. Today's diesel cars are more powerful, but it comes with a penalty. I'd rather have the extra mileage, since there are plenty of much faster gasoline cars out there.
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  18. mr openroad

    mr openroad Target Fixated

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    this was definatly the case with my brother inlaws TDI's until he got an 09 and the fuel system grenaded on him and after that he could not trust it.
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  19. Keith

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    What's the difference in weight with those csrs? I bet it's significant.
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  20. Ko

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    rethorical question, isn't it? :lol3


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